MatureDJ
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
article: What It’s Like to Be a 58-Year-Old Virgin
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Scaramouche
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Dear MDJ,
That's soo sad!
That's soo sad!
Mike32ct
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I think the world record is a guy in his 60s. It's very sad, but it happens.
It gets more and more difficult to lose it as you get older.
At that point, the only thing you can do is hire a professional.
It gets more and more difficult to lose it as you get older.
At that point, the only thing you can do is hire a professional.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Who Dares Win
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Well if weak afc fathers create so many problems to many users in this forum, you can guess what a psyco like his fathers made.
Awfully the ability to have sex while it doesnt measure your value as man, is a good benchmark of how you stay physically, mentally and emotionally.
This guy had serious problems, a family which fvcked up his personality and self esteem, that eye which probably gave him a weird look, being skinny and looking weak.
To that add that he live in the west where there are no such things beyond look and success to value someone, Im surprised we're not into an other spree killer discussion.
Awfully the ability to have sex while it doesnt measure your value as man, is a good benchmark of how you stay physically, mentally and emotionally.
This guy had serious problems, a family which fvcked up his personality and self esteem, that eye which probably gave him a weird look, being skinny and looking weak.
To that add that he live in the west where there are no such things beyond look and success to value someone, Im surprised we're not into an other spree killer discussion.
Mike32ct
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Sadly, there is no real help available for these guys. IMO, therapists are not experienced with this or familiar with this problem at all. Some of these guys then turn to seduction gurus who rip them off.
Bible_Belt
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I know a 40 y/o virgin. He is a great case study about the things that repel women.
He grew up in the house next door to mine. We rode the same school bus and had a lot of classes together. I never saw him even talk to a girl. He's not gay; he's just dorky and repels women. I wouldn't call him attractive, but he isn't short or fat.
The guy in the article is poor. My virgin friend isn't. He is literally a rocket scientist. His million dollar home should be paid off any time now, and he is considering an early retirement. He travels extensively wherever he feels like going.
The problem is his choices in life. Every single thing he is interested in is chick repellent. He goes to every Comic-con, as well as several other "-con" conventions that I don't really understand. (dragon-con?) He's into computer games, but really weird obscure role-playing ones. He writes how-to manuals for these weird games. He doesn't have a single normal hobby or social interest.
He's on facebook every night talking about making dinner, working in the yard, and any mundane thing, which is what lonely people do. Sometimes he complains about crushing loneliness and "another night spent alone." I can see girls who start out as interested in him over facebook become immediately chased away by his needy personality and low self-esteem.
I know his older brother used to beat him up when they were kids. Maybe that is the source of his low self-image. There's no reason why he wouldn't be the perfect candidate for a mail-order bride, other than just not thinking he is worthy of any woman. And that attitude is what has probably kept him from getting one his entire life.
He grew up in the house next door to mine. We rode the same school bus and had a lot of classes together. I never saw him even talk to a girl. He's not gay; he's just dorky and repels women. I wouldn't call him attractive, but he isn't short or fat.
The guy in the article is poor. My virgin friend isn't. He is literally a rocket scientist. His million dollar home should be paid off any time now, and he is considering an early retirement. He travels extensively wherever he feels like going.
The problem is his choices in life. Every single thing he is interested in is chick repellent. He goes to every Comic-con, as well as several other "-con" conventions that I don't really understand. (dragon-con?) He's into computer games, but really weird obscure role-playing ones. He writes how-to manuals for these weird games. He doesn't have a single normal hobby or social interest.
He's on facebook every night talking about making dinner, working in the yard, and any mundane thing, which is what lonely people do. Sometimes he complains about crushing loneliness and "another night spent alone." I can see girls who start out as interested in him over facebook become immediately chased away by his needy personality and low self-esteem.
I know his older brother used to beat him up when they were kids. Maybe that is the source of his low self-image. There's no reason why he wouldn't be the perfect candidate for a mail-order bride, other than just not thinking he is worthy of any woman. And that attitude is what has probably kept him from getting one his entire life.
zekko
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That just goes to show how it isn't enough to have hobbies and interests. They have to be hobbies that involve some social interaction, and preferably both genders, for them to be of any use in attracting women. You can't just sit in the house and play video games, although I know several women who are heavily into computer games themselves.Bible_Belt said:
Nerds aren't necessarily automatically repellent to women like they used to be, IMO. But by the time a guy reaches 40 and has never gotten laid, his mind has to be a series of booby traps that will blow up in his face anytime he even gets close to having some success with women. Plus he's not going to have any skill, and that can't help him either. The poor bastards, I feel for them, I really do.
Absurd.
But there are more virgins around than you might think. Some men (and women) are asexual.
If a man is attracted to women and still a virgin in his 50's then he just doesn't want it bad enough. It's not that hard to get laid. Even regards get laid. And you can always pay a prostitute if you're determined to get laid.
But there are more virgins around than you might think. Some men (and women) are asexual.
If a man is attracted to women and still a virgin in his 50's then he just doesn't want it bad enough. It's not that hard to get laid. Even regards get laid. And you can always pay a prostitute if you're determined to get laid.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
VladPatton
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Get those social circles a-spinnin', homies.
Mike32ct
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Good for you.letsplay said:well... I lost it a few months back :rockon: 2014. was good for me
btownbuck2012
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just like a few other guys have pointed out at that point how the hell do you not bang a hooker?
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
He mentioned in the article that he'd rather not know the pleasure of sex otherwise it'll leave him wanting more.btownbuck2012 said:
Really feel for the guy though - sounds like he had the worst upbringing which has screwed him over for life..