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Article: Dating apps and a drastically changing relationship landscape

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Dont forget even the Vikings main motivation for raids was also getting women. You are poor, women don't see you..so you go look beyond your own borders for love.
And how do you know that? Let me guess, by watching a show about the Vikings on Netflix? Makes perfect sense that a society with a high level of male mortality due to constant warfare would need to import women…NOT.

As for the article, has anyone noticed the thinly veiled sales pitch? Get individual therapy to improve your dating “skills”….says a website called Psychology Today. Okay then.
I think the usual explanation for Vikings that I learned in school was that they ran out of food when it got colder and harder to farm (the little ice age) so they went south.
 

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The man who wrote the article has a a doctoral in clinical psychology. According to him:

  • Dating opportunities for heterosexual men are diminishing as relationship standards rise.
  • Men represent approximately 62% of dating app users, lowering their chances for matches.
  • Men need to address skills deficits to meet healthier relationship expectations.

So a man has to work harder and address his skill deficits to meet relationship expectations from a 30+ year old non virgin woman who, is losing her looks by the day, has been f*cked 17 ways from Sunday by the Alpha Dog, has the option to destroy the man financially, socially and mentally if she is not “happy” in the relationship, decides when and if to give sex to the man, and, if she cheats, it’s 100% his fault, if he cheats, he is a pig.

How about a man doesn’t need a relationship and just f*cks hot girls for the rest of his life? Why doesn’t he write an article on that?

Freaking idiot.
 

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Back when women had fathers, this wouldn’t happen.

Think about it. If you had a daughter, would you feel good about her being “plated”? I’d presume you’d cut the head off the man who plated her.

…and that’s what happened before the Woke communist government takeover. Women used to have real fathers.
A lot of fathers these days are unimpressive as leaders for their daughters even if they are present in their daughters lives. Think about the number of women you've plated with fathers who are at least semi-present in their daughters' life and the parents stayed married at least until the woman finished high school.

I totally agree and I feel that a huge part of the issue with the dating market is that it's heavily made up of women who grew up in a single parent/father absent household.

A horny and low self esteem white woman who falls for a "bad boy" black man that bounces and is not at all in the picture. This type of behavior has been the norm in black America for decades now but has started creeping into being a more common part of white American culture over the past decade or so. Most educated people are having no children at all or maybe a child at the most, those that are widely reproducing are from lower socioeconomic classes, where this type of behavior is the norm. I feel that over the next couple decades this is going to be the norm with the dating/mating market and family/household life and not the exception.
The only White women I'm seeing reproducing right now are 30+ women with similarly aged or even older husbands having "Last Call" type babies. These White women were mainly on birth control in their 20s and they are sneaking in 1-2 children before infertility hits.

A lot of the Millennial adult females today were from divorced households. They were victims of divorcing Boomers of the mid-1980s to early 2000s. They didn't have a good example of family life from their childhoods. They were given a bad hand in how functional romantic relationships are. Additionally, many marriage that do survive are zombie relationships that aren't even that good either.
 

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Yes, inspired by Netflix show I did some research, watch some documentaries and this fact stood out to me.

This example is kind of far fetched obviously, but what intrigued me about this theory , was that even back then having a woman was something that "just naturally happened ". According to the theory men in that era also " suffered " from lack of potential partners.
Vikings raided foreign lands, first and foremost, in search of treasure. They were no different from other raiders in that respect. Their favorite targets were monasteries (monks tended to accumulate gold and other material goods donated by the community).

Vikings did capture slaves, both male and female, as did pretty much all other invading tribes of that era. Some of those slaves were sold and some were kept as workers and personal servants. That was a natural byproduct of a marauding lifestyle. However, there is no historical basis for the suggestion that Vikings sailed to far away lands because they couldn’t get women at home. Pvssy was never their primary motivation.

In fact, there is no historical precedent for men of any civilization or culture undertaking dangerous weeks or months-long voyages to foreign lands in search of girlfriends. Pvssy shortage is a relatively recent phenomenon that first manifested itself in colonial America due to the lopsided ratio between male and female colonists. Historically, d!ck shortage was a far greater concern, because men had a low life expectancy due to constant wars.
 

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A lot of fathers these days are unimpressive as leaders for their daughters even if they are present in their daughters lives. Think about the number of women you've plated with fathers who are at least semi-present in their daughters' life and the parents stayed married at least until the woman finished high school.
Agreed. But how much of that is down to legislation that makes fatherhood redundant? Try interfering in your kid’s choices and they have legal recourse now. Again, laws written by men that make fulfilling a manly role very difficult, if not illegal.
 

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The man who wrote the article has a a doctoral in clinical psychology. According to him:

  • Dating opportunities for heterosexual men are diminishing as relationship standards rise.
  • Men represent approximately 62% of dating app users, lowering their chances for matches.
  • Men need to address skills deficits to meet healthier relationship expectations.

So a man has to work harder and address his skill deficits to meet relationship expectations from a 30+ year old non virgin woman who, is losing her looks by the day, has been f*cked 17 ways from Sunday by the Alpha Dog, has the option to destroy the man financially, socially and mentally if she is not “happy” in the relationship, decides when and if to give sex to the man, and, if she cheats, it’s 100% his fault, if he cheats, he is a pig.

How about a man doesn’t need a relationship and just f*cks hot girls for the rest of his life? Why doesn’t he write an article on that?

Freaking idiot.
The best place for dating/ game in the US is ironically universities. In most schools women outnumber men because of declining male achievement and record levels of women attending universities. Males are now affirmative action accepted into universities because there are not enough of them-- this is a pretty new trend, but shows how crazy college is for getting women easily. If you are in social sciences/ liberal arts/ communications/ arts realms women will outnumber men by large factor. Also in universities women are way less choosy because there are not enough men to go around; the total opposite of dating apps. At some smaller liberal arts universities the male female ratio is easily 45:55 or even 40:60, no joke.
 

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I think the usual explanation for Vikings that I learned in school was that they ran out of food when it got colder and harder to farm (the little ice age) so they went south.
The viking age (roughly 700-1100 AD) actually overlapped a bit with the medieval warm period (950-1250 AD). The start of the little ice age happened after the viking age was already over.
 
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The best place for dating/ game in the US is ironically universities. In most schools women outnumber men because of declining male achievement and record levels of women attending universities. Males are now affirmative action accepted into universities because there are not enough of them-- this is a pretty new trend, but shows how crazy college is for getting women easily. If you are in social sciences/ liberal arts/ communications/ arts realms women will outnumber men by large factor. Also in universities women are way less choosy because there are not enough men to go around; the total opposite of dating apps. At some smaller liberal arts universities the male female ratio is easily 45:55 or even 40:60, no joke.
If universities are the best place for dating/game, that leads to 2 observations.

1. While that is good in the moment for students, a lot of relationships formed in college don't stand the test of time. See chart below.
As college enrollments increased in the 1970s-1990s, romantic relationships formed during the college years increased. As soon as the Millennials started getting to campus in the early 2000s, LTRs formed through random introductions in college, such as through extracurricular campus activities, started declining.

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2. If biological sex ratios in college are that unfavorable to women, what's stopping women in more populous areas (say 100,000+) from looking on the apps in their cities? Or going to bars in their cities away from the universities that are sausage fests?

Additionally, fitness classes have even more extreme ratio versions than college campuses. Despite fitness classes skewing female, they aren't that easy for pickup. It could be that fitness classes are a small portion of the day for generally post college women, whereas college is more encompassing in someone's life. I think it is worth discussing that the fitness class example.
 
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Vikings raided foreign lands, first and foremost, in search of treasure. They were no different from other raiders in that respect. Their favorite targets were monasteries (monks tended to accumulate gold and other material goods donated by the community).

Vikings did capture slaves, both male and female, as did pretty much all other invading tribes of that era. Some of those slaves were sold and some were kept as workers and personal servants. That was a natural byproduct of a marauding lifestyle. However, there is no historical basis for the suggestion that Vikings sailed to far away lands because they couldn’t get women at home. Pvssy was never their primary motivation.

In fact, there is no historical precedent for men of any civilization or culture undertaking dangerous weeks or months-long voyages to foreign lands in search of girlfriends. Pvssy shortage is a relatively recent phenomenon that first manifested itself in colonial America due to the lopsided ratio between male and female colonists. Historically, d!ck shortage was a far greater concern, because men had a low life expectancy due to constant wars.
From the article (for those to lazy to check it out)
In other words, just like people today gather material items - cars, a house, the new iPhone - to achieve a social certain status, so did Vikings. Except one of those was wives.

According to the team, this type of marriage likely created a shortage of eligible women, because powerful men married many of them, leaving the average Viking man wifeless.

This 'monopolisation' of women forced the regular men to get a bit feisty, the team says, causing many of them to perform riskier and riskier things to gain enough wealth and power to find a suitable match - or, matches because, you know, polygyny.


We already discussed many times how women in the past were (had to be)capable of completely shifting their lifes and family ties due losing men through wars , hard labor ect. The romantic idea is that women would be widowers for their remaining lives,, but more realistic is the theory that widowers at some point realized they had to move on and remarry to start a new family and survive.

Ironically enough the Stockholm syndrome comes to mind. A woman taken away from her original family and birthplace , at some point might've realized she is better of starting a new life with her new " boss". Slave trade was a normal thing, and no doubt you were better off if you managed to get a position where the boss viewed you as equal instead of hard labor for the rest of your life( think about Ragnar and Athelstan).

To me it makes alotta sense . The common Scandinavian man lived under harsh conditions, and a raid promised him money ,reputation and prosperity. Take the trip and you either go to Valhalla, or come back loaded with slaves and money( and get to pick your own "exotic wive".)

If I am correct I red somewhere here this might be a reason why women are capable of monkey branching so easily. It was basic survival, and women nowadays still possess this " skill".
 
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What's interesting about this graph to me is that meeting in bars and restaurants is also on the rise in the last few decades. It's the second highest at nearly 30% compared to the 40% from online.
 

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It is true what you say - but who cares - let's take advantage of the situation. Its not hard to be in the top 5% of guys. Most people put no effort into their life.
 

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What's interesting about this graph to me is that meeting in bars and restaurants is also on the rise in the last few decades. It's the second highest at nearly 30% compared to the 40% from online.
I recall seeing in the 2009 data set from those researchers that it was called "bars/restaurants/other public places". I think that's where daygame factors into it. My sense is that few relationships form through non-bar random stranger approaching.
 

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I had a sales career and hate to say it, but everything's a numbers game. Every. Fuarking. Thing. Sales is sheer numbers. Job hunting. Networking. Social interactions. Day/night game. Dating apps.

Every male is playing the same game as far as dating apps are concerned, on average swiping right on 50 percent of profiles, but some doing that with nearly 100per cent of profiles. Online relationships may of jumped up to 35-40 percent, but that still leaves 60-65 percent for all other avenues. A cold approach, while ballsy, and with a high chance of failure still might convert if you do a ton of them, and integrate cold approach into your daily life. When you truly get it, you become outcome independent, and don't fear the rejection, which strengthens your frame and gives you more chances at success.

Just to reference the above graph, bar/restaurant equates to a cold approach, and it accounts for like ~25 percent of relationships. I like that number, it's way higher than I thought. A true blind/cold approach would be rare tho, because almost no male does this. It's sorta like cold calls or emails, people don't realize it's an effective sales method because they perceive the possibility of success of being zero. Untrue. You will get rejected **** tons, and resist doing it, almost everyone quits, but as the rejections build, you develop confidence, and start getting success because of the quantity/ which is almost like a universal thing/ rule. I did a very niche type of sales and it was something like rejection 99.9% of the time. However, this is an extreme case, but the sale always happened on the thousandth attempt and made all the rejection worth it.
 

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the most attractive men i know, that date the hottest women dont even use dating apps. theres a lesson there.
 

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the most attractive men i know, that date the hottest women dont even use dating apps. theres a lesson there.
Yes, there's it. It's the same idea behind why you'd never see a Rolex sold in a gas station's convenience store. It's not the right place to find a market for it.
 

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That’s like saying Bill Gates doesn’t work a 9-5 so I shouldn’t. Dude you aren’t Bill Gates lol
as in, dating apps are filled with average men, expecting to get laid with average women at just a swipe. this is a pipe dream. its how they make money.

so the stats about apps and dating etc mean nothing. guys taking the apps seriously are inheritely loosers anyway. at most apps should be something in background you check from time to time, in between dating women from the real world
 

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I think the usual explanation for Vikings that I learned in school was that they ran out of food when it got colder and harder to farm (the little ice age) so they went south.
Hmm, the age of VIking exploration was in the Medieval Warm Period, when it was so warm, that Iceland & Greenland were considered as possible new places to live.


The Little Ice Age was was from 1450-1850; it caused Europeans to want to want to colonize the world, especially in the Americas.
 
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