Arguing with women - how the £$!" do you win??

[Triple X]

AAAAAARRRRGH!!!!!

F***ing WOMEN!!!!

Wow.... forgive me for venting my rage here, but it's either doing that or punching someone at work. Belive me right now I would prefer the second option, but I value my job.

What am I ranting about??

Well, I was at work, and.... oh f*** it I can't be bothered to type the whole thing (and you can't be bothered to read it)... to cut a long story short I had an argument with ONE woman at work (I was in the right... yes I know I would say that but I was).

This woman was a bit old.. and 'frail'.. (yeah right).. and a girl on my table saw me arguing and decided to jump to her defense. She came at me with a vicious comment which I had no choice but to retaliate at. Of course, now sparks are flying. I am getting SERIOUSLY p*ssed off (but trying not to be, as I'm at work)..

What happens then?? Another girl comes along (she actually flirts with me sometimes), sees us arguing and exclaims (with a VERY pointy look on her face) 'You'd better not be bullying [name]!!' and proceeds to give me another load of sh*t. She hadn't even been listening to the argument, for f***s sake!!!

HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY win an argument with a woman?? If you beat one, a whole ARMY of them come after you!!! AAAAAAARGHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY IS IT... when a WOMAN is angry she is allowed to scream and shout at men all she wants and it is understandable, respectable, and even 'necessary'??

WHY IS IT... when a MAN is angry in a similar situation and shouts at a woman, everyone in the room goes 'oooooooh!!! stressy boy!!!' (or something similar) and he either becomes a figure of ridicule or is immediately accused of 'bullying' the 'poor woman'??

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE women. It's just, sometimes I want to f*** them and other times I want to smack them in the head and tell them to shut the f*** up. Is this normal??



Anyway I'm not after advice or anything... I just needed to RANT somewhere. I feel better after this. Responses are welcome, but please no 'hey man, a real DJ keeps his cool at all times' crap. Thankyou.

 

[Javelin44]

treat em like a piece of **** and they become a piece of **** to you. try it

 

[Triple X]

trust me, i'll be doing that

 

[runnincircles]

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty normal. They piss me off sometimes, too. When you're arguing with a woman, though, seriously, you have to keep calm. That does two things for you: Makes it less likely that other women will come to her aid, and takes the edge off her argument because you're shooting down her reasons with what appears to her to be very little effort.

I usually win my arguments because I know my shlt and I keep calm, while slowly driving the other person to insanity.

 

[Triple X]

Wow, such quick replies.

Thanks guys... some good tips there. Shezzler what you are saying is true but unfortunately in my situation I was at my desk and she came over to me!! Difficult to get out of that one.

And runnincircles.. I totally agree. It is best to keep calm and let the other person get wound up - unfortunately I wasn't able to this time - I was in the right, yet I had a (slowly growing) army of angry women ready to tear into me for 'a crime I did not commit', yet far as they were concerned I was guilty as hell!! So yeah I was very p*ssed!!!

Anyway I guess I've learnt a lesson here, next time I'm in an argument I will make sure to remain calm as possible whilst simultaneously p*ssing the other person off to the max. I look forward to it.

 

[Jariel]

double post

 

[Jariel]

I know where you're coming from man! In the past I've either gone beyond the point of compromise or I've been made to feel guilty and ended up apologising just to keep the peace.

I don't think you can "win" arguments with women, but I'm learning it's best just not to give them any significance and brush it off like it doesn't matter.

Worst thing you can do is give them a reaction as that's a powertrip for them, knowing they can get under your skin and, on some level, control you.

I recently read a book called "When I Say No, I Feel Guilty" by Manuel J. Smith. It's well worth reading as it gives great advice on how to deal with arguments without backing down or losing your temper.

 

[spider_007]

SPELL IT OUT!!!!!!!!

ASK her to sit down with you, take your chair, and put it in front of her. Sit down and in a qiet and calm voice spell it out logialy and in detail, LIKE YOU WOULD TO A CHILD. and if she starts interupting ask her; "would you mind hearing me out, I'll be happy to do the same when I'm done" and if she continues to be a *****, then ignore her. I mean, don't even look at her. and if anybody else budds in tell them calmly and quietly; "this is between me and her, i would wery much apreciate if you would leave it that way"

You have to do REALLY CALMLY AND QUIETLY AND PROFESSIONALLY. AND YOU HAVE TO BE READY TO IGNORE EVERYBODY AND MIND YOUR OWN BUISNESS.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by spider_007
SPELL IT OUT!!!!!!!!

ASK her to sit down with you, take your chair, and put it in front of her. Sit down and in a qiet and calm voice spell it out logialy and in detail, LIKE YOU WOULD TO A CHILD. ...

You'd have a better chance finding a child which thinks logically than finding a woman who would. I'm not saying that they're nonexistant, just not typical.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

d@mn dp.

 

[DJ_in_making]

don't argue w/ them, b/c you're not at their level. you're a MAN.

 

[spider_007]

ya, but when you calmly and logicaly SPELL IT OUT, there is NO FVCKING WAY ANYBODY COULD MISS YOUR POINT.

eg;
her; I like to suck you diick like a maniak
You: my diick is attached to my body right?
her: ya but....
you; it is made of skin and muscle just like the rest of me, RIGHT?
her: but I like it
you: so wouldn't it make sence that it would hurt if you chewd on it???
you: And If you couldn't already guess, Im not into playing rough....

(sorry, best example I could comeup with where did my imgaination go)

 

[runnincircles]

Originally posted by spider_007
eg;
her; I like to suck you diick like a maniak
You: my diick is attached to my body right?
her: ya but....
you; it is made of skin and muscle just like the rest of me, RIGHT?
her: but I like it
you: so wouldn't it make sence that it would hurt if you chewd on it???
you: And If you couldn't already guess, Im not into playing rough....

(sorry, best example I could comeup with where did my imgaination go)

HAHAHA! :crackup: Nice!

 

[simon]

Here's some Dale Carnegie:

1. The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.

Welcome the disagreement.

Distrust your first instinctive impression. Our first natural reaction in a disagreeable situation is to be defensive.

Control your temper.

Listen first.

Look for areas of agreement.


2. Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never say, "You're wrong."

3. Try to honestly see things from the other person's point of view.

 

[Mr. Mystery II]

In a social situation, I just laugh at them...alot.

I'll casually agree with their attacks:

"You may be right...your defenitely right about that, I'm an A-Hole...but your still an idiot hahahaha!"

Mature? No...but very effective and funny.

Mr. Mystery

 

[crowes22]

You can't win man, I know where you are coming from, I hate working w/ women (the vast majority that is, some I can tolerate and think are pretty cool) but most times I think things would go alot better w/ out their involvement.

I agree w/ the guys that said you can't logically explain it to them. I've tried. In work and romantic r'ships. Doesn't work on 99% of them. Even if they flat out know for a fvcking fact you are right they still won't admit it. She'll just get angrier the more you try to explain it.

To be fair I have messed w/ 2 that could and would admit they were wrong. These were confident/intelligent gals. Rare, but they do exist.

Most chicks will argue w/ a fvcking road sign. And yea the other babes will side w/ her, just like you are describing. When I worked w/ women I disliked........I ignored them. No hello/good morning/NOTHING. I wouldn't even give them eye contact. You'll likely be labled angry/full of hate. I was. haha.

 

[StringShredder]

That's right; women will argue harder the more they realize you are right.

There is a lesson in that: if you have a tendency to do the same thing, you are exhibiting effeminate behavior. Kill that!

The suave DJ never argues.

Just say ``I disagree with that''. Now of course, that raises the question why you disagree. Getting that out of you should be like pulling teeth. The chick must work in order to extract arguments from you.

Never give a straight answer. Just say you don't know. : "Something about what you are saying just doesn't feel right, but I don't know enough about the subject to be certain".

Or "I'm sure that a simple web search would reveals a wealth of information about this topic, so it's pointless to argue".

Or how about: "I'm trying very hard to agree with you, but I just can't quite wrap my head around that thing you are saying about blah ..."

Get the chick to clarify her logic, leading her to the conclusion that she's dumb as a brick, while making it look like she came to that conclusion herself!!!

Your point of view is that you believe everything she says, but just need help assimilating it such that it's free of internal contradictions, and connected with external facts.

If that doesn't happen, then just leave it at that and say, "Hmm, I think this requires more thinking; maybe we can talk about it some other time. It doesn't seem that important anyway." (i.e you don't care about the subject).

If you have your own facts to interject with, try to remember where they came from. Everything you know has a source, so cite that source. "I read in [ scientific journal | magazine | specific book ] that blah blah". Then if the chick disagrees with a cited fact, you can always say something like "Wow, you know a lot about this subject. It must be pretty important to you!" Thereby, you have turned to her favorite subject.

 

[StringShredder]

Also, another thing! Women argue for different reasons. It's not about convincing the other person that they are right, but rather some kind of emotional release. They want to moan and groan about something, and just be understood, right or wrong. They get together and gab, gab, gab. One woman will lament the state of her life by invoking some sweeping generalization about men or the whole world, and then two others will console her by appearing to agree with that generalization. Etc. Basically, don't get caught up in that.

There are women who are not like that. And guess what; those women who are not like that find the rest of the women irritating in the same way that you and I find them irritating.

You can find these other women who are not like that in, for instance, the engineering disciplines.

Find yourself a good geek girl who can't stand gossip, whining, gabbing about clothes, men or makeup, etc. One who argues rationally, drives a manual transmission and can write code.

I know girls like that, and they tell me! "God, I can't stand those women at work".

They have some of the same problems with women that men do.

 

[XtremeRacingDiva]

your waisting your time... want to get something accomplished just say sorry and end the argument

 

[Casino]

Women constantly antagonize. CONSTANTLY.

They will say something and expect you to answer in a certain way, and when you don't it changes their whole frame.

I prefer to let sh!t slide for the most part. I used to enter into arguments but now i'm mature enough to realize that some little insignificant argument will not do me any good.

Read that paragraph AGAIN.

If it does not have a profound IMPACT on your life let it slide.