"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Are we all, one way or the other, paying for sex?

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Blew my budget on a date with a girl last night which got me thinking do we all pay for sex??
When you take a girl out to dinner, you are paying for sex. When you pay for nice gifts for her, you are paying for sex. Any financial transaction you make with the intended result of you getting some is the equivalent of paying for sex.
A guy has two things he can spend on a woman:
• money &
• time
The majority of guys spend both on themselves. Regardless, good venue selection, good clothes, time in the gym, etc. All of this is time spent and money spent chasing p*ssy. You might not be paying the girl directly but you might as well be. You still paid for that Armani suit. You still rented that apartment because of how much better it was for p*ssy, not other facets of your life.

Then there are the costs of going out. Drinks, entrance, taxis, etc. Even if you are not buying drinks for the chicks, its money out of your pocket and lost time while you look for new gash. There are the costs of going out. Drinks, entrance, taxis, etc. Even if you are not buying drinks for the chicks, its money out of your pocket and lost time while you look for new gash.
You are constantly paying for sex. Don't want to present dating as a hoax but all we do is spend our money with the intended goal of getting in women's pants. Am i better off with escorts because you actually get your money's worth, not only in sex, but no emotional attachments???
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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No, because I’m not taking them out to dinners or buying gifts. If anything they pay for my time and sex. Benefit of living alone while being relatively young was that I could make demands, bring me this, pick me up from here I’m drunk, cook for me, bring food and wine. Lol you are obviously doing it wrong mate let your personality lead the interactions not your wallet.
 

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No
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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No, because I’m not taking them out to dinners or buying gifts. If anything they pay for my time and sex. Benefit of living alone while being relatively young was that I could make demands, bring me this, pick me up from here I’m drunk, cook for me, bring food and wine. Lol you are obviously doing it wrong mate let your personality lead the interactions not your wallet.
A man should never lead with his wallet.
 

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Married blue pill men absolutely pay for sex, and they pay dearly.

Guys who only date/spin plates, or even engage in STRs or LTRs do not have to pay for sex if they play their cards right.
 

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Married blue pill men absolutely pay for sex, and they pay dearly.

Guys who only date/spin plates, or even engage in STRs or LTRs do not have to pay for sex if they play their cards right.
And a self maintaining married guy with high SMV that married a SMV 1 to 2 pts lower?
 

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And a self maintaining married guy with high SMV that married a SMV 1 to 2 pts lower?
If his wife is contributing 50% of all household expenses, cooking 50% of the meals, doing 50% of the housework/yard work/repairs/etc, and things are split 50% when they divorce including child custody. (Oh I mean 'if' they divorce :rolleyes: ), then I suppose the sex didn't cost him anything. It's also scientifically possible for you to drop a penny on the bottom of the ocean and for me to find it. But I doubt I will.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Time is hell of a currency.

So yeah... Sex/Dating... cost Time.

Better make Time a Investments.

Date Wisely, Live with Passion, Invest Time in You
 

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Guys who only date/spin plates, or even engage in STRs or LTRs do not have to pay for sex if they play their cards right.
True.

Women invest more $$$ into a man when she wants to occupy his time.

This is pretty common knowledge.
 

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If his wife is contributing 50% of all household expenses, cooking 50% of the meals, doing 50% of the housework/yard work/repairs/etc, and things are split 50% when they divorce including child custody. (Oh I mean 'if' they divorce :rolleyes: ), then I suppose the sex didn't cost him anything. It's also scientifically possible for you to drop a penny on the bottom of the ocean and for me to find it. But I doubt I will.
Well damn. You'd have to find a farm raised girl to do that. Alot of women are refusing to cook. And if they in a relationship they feel entitled to control.
 

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Time is hell of a currency.

So yeah... Sex/Dating... cost Time.

Better make Time a Investments.

Date Wisely, Live with Passion, Invest Time in You
Everything costs time, if you're doing something you enjoy then what's the issue?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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you do pay with your positiveness, just like you pay other people you interact with. you pay with your time, attitude, jokes, smile, confidence.

People will reciprocate.
They will like you
smile to you
invite you to various places

and in case of girls
they will let you fuk them


of course you dont only need to be happy person, you also need to look well, clothes, haircut, gym. but these 3 alone boost life a lot even if you had no sex at all
 

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Yes, men pay for sex with our time, energy, and attention.

If prostitution were legal, men could bypass all three and just use money.

Unfortunately, the Feminine Imperative has made prostitution illegal. The only reason for this is simply power.

With prostitution illegal, women have the power to choose who they have sex with. If prostitution were legal, men would have the power to choose who they have sex with.
 

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Yes, men pay for sex with our time, energy, and attention.

If prostitution were legal, men could bypass all three and just use money.

Unfortunately, the Feminine Imperative has made prostitution illegal. The only reason for this is simply power.

With prostitution illegal, women have the power to choose who they have sex with. If prostitution were legal, men would have the power to choose who they have sex with.
i wonder if it would be cheaper then
 

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A lot of guys forget to screen for sex related things in their relationships

If you don't think to screen for a girl who is sexual, open minded, has an actual sex drive, kinky, etc. Then you have a high chance of ending up with one of those girls who only puts out for access to your resources

This is why the redpill says you should not spend much on dates, be aware of beta bucks/alpha fvcks, not commit to a girl before sex, not exclusively date her for months with no sex, etc.
 

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Well damn. You'd have to find a farm raised girl to do that. Alot of women are refusing to cook. And if they in a relationship they feel entitled to control.
Women cooking. Ha! Don't even get me started. The last woman I lived with actually cooked fairly regularly. But towards the end she told me that she really didn't want to do it and was only doing it because she thought she had to. The discussion about cooking was what actually lead to our last big fight that terminated the relationship.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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