"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Are some women waiting to see if there's a spark?

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I was talking to a male friend of mine, in his 40s, had "dated" this woman in her 30s (single mom) and apparently he went all out for her. I'd say he's a complete beta as he mentioned he would cuddle with her while watching a movie but when he would go in for a kiss...she'd deny him.

He ended things with her of course, and this got to remind me of anther female friend where we talked about this very topic of moving to fast when it comes to intimacy. This female friend dating methods tend to have her dragging her heels for even a kiss good night. She just hugs. Men move on from her because THEY think she's not interested and she gets upset about this because she needs more time to get to know them before any of that can happen.

Your take on this? Do some women just need time or are they really not attracted and their attempt to "seeing if a spark happens over multiple dates" a bad idea?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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i'm betting the whole till she gets to know would mean a lot of date and she not paying for any, and she don't want even to kiss, yeah tell her to keep getting cats
 
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The only way I see your friend finding a man with her approach is the friend route. I have had a few women in my past that were friends on and off for years then we started dating and when it's over I stayed friends with them as much as a man can be friends with a woman.

In my opinion it's a bad idea your friend approach is flawed. No man wants to take a woman out on his dime on 10 dates only to have her say sorry chump I just don't feel any sparks. It's not really the money spent that would bother me even if we went Dutch it's more the fact that she wasted my time and that's more valuable to me then some $40 dinners. So I take it as even being a little disrespectful on her part.
Most women I have slept with knew they were going to sleep with me anywhere from 1 hour to 2 weeks of knowing me.

I suggest you tell your female friend to ask men she is interested in out pay for all the dates she needs to feel comfortable with them before they have sex. Do some of the heavy lifting and planning. That might give her a different perspective on things.
 

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The only way I see your friend finding a man with her approach is the friend route. I have had a few women in my past that were friends on and off for years then we started dating and when it's over I stayed friends with them as much as a man can be friends with a woman.

In my opinion it's a bad idea your friend approach is flawed. No man wants to take a woman out on his dime on 10 dates only to have her say sorry chump I just don't feel any sparks. It's not really the money spent that would bother me even if we went Dutch it's more the fact that she wasted my time and that's more valuable to me then some $40 dinners. So I take it as even being a little disrespectful on her part.
Most women I have slept with knew they were going to sleep with me anywhere from 1 hour to 2 weeks of knowing me.

I suggest you tell your female friend to ask men she is interested in out pay for all the dates she needs to feel comfortable with them before they have sex. Do some of the heavy lifting and planning. That might give her a different perspective on things.
Believe it or not, I've known women to have MARRIED men they were never attracted to. There's a woman in my local area, never had kids, but divorced. Told me the man she married to for 10 years, she was never attracted to him from the beginning.

Since it was a small town, all their friends were marrying their HS sweethearts, so she figured she'd jump on that bandwagon, too. Now THAT'S 10 years wasted I take it? I wonder how the sex was on their honeymoon if she was never attracted?

Did sex in the beginning, for them, just involved her laying there until he finished?
 
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Yeah but in the grand scheme of things I'm sure she's better off with her high school sweetheart and her low interest level in him than being alone and a cat lady. So I don't see it as a waste of time.

That's something I find funny sometimes. I take most not all of the advice on this board as advice for short term relationships and hookup. Because the simple fact is interest levels wax and wane over time it's human nature. I've known guys who married women they were less attracted to as well because of other outstanding qualitys the woman had. No one ever gets exactly what they want and no one gets out alive anyone telling you different has something their trying to sell you.
From my experience after the honeymoon phase and the dust settles all relationships involve some amount of work, compromise and sacrifice from both parties involved in order to maintain it for the long haul. Every flower needs a different amount of water I like cactuses there low maintenance.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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