are most of you getting laid on the first date itself ?

[BlackJackal]

But all she can do is withhold the sex. It's how the man deals with it that determines the outcome. A woman who likes you that much to even put you through this is still at a disadvantage, seeing as she can only hold back for so long, or the man (a real man) will bail on her. Which might even force her hand and give it up anyway.

All it takes is affection and attention. Some good mind ****ing and you're all in. Her so called control is virtual. I heard that talk before and all that ends up happenin is we end up sleepin together.

 

[Bonhomme]

I never expect it, but a high percentage of my first dates with gals I meet in person are overnighters (online is a different matter altogether). And if anything, I'm more likely to continue in a relationship with a gal if we have sex on the first date, unless, of course, it's clearly understood that it's just a one-off or FB situation.

Want to have more 1st dates that end up in bed? Concentrate more on having a good time and "working the vibe," and pay no mind to bedding her.

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Gangster of Love's post on the 1st page was right on.

 

[Vypros]

doesnt matter how men think when you are trying to understand how women think.

I wasn't saying that to try to understand how a woman thinks (I already KNOW how she thinks). I was actually telling YOU that much so that you'll know that you are wasting your time by doing this. Whether you do it or not, you are going to get the same results.

i told you this one the first page.

I know, I'm saying that it's the ONLY reason you do it. It's a control thing ONLY, not a way of weeding out the better guys or keeping the guys you like longer. It's a matter of control ONLY, because as a man, I'm telling you that if a guy likes you, he likes you, end of story. Whether you withhold sex or not, he's going to be around the same length of time.

we all know thats just not going to happen.

Yeah, heaven forbid women of our day have a little respect for themselves, eh?

 

[KneghtRyder]

bump

 

[penkitten]

I wasn't saying that to try to understand how a woman thinks (I already KNOW how she thinks). I was actually telling YOU that much so that you'll know that you are wasting your time by doing this.

the only thing i am guilty of doing is wasting my time in this forum these days. i am actually married and don't have to worry about figuring any more men out, or dating or sleeping with them too soon or too late.
does it matter any more how much time i wasted in my past? honestly, not really. it gave me experience in life and that is all i really needed.
i replied in this thread because i wanted to express how women think and feel and just how i think and feel.

i never said that it made 100% logical sense to a man on how we ladies make our choices, however, it can make sense to us.
isn't that what the question was all about?
wasn't the question about how some women give it away faster than others? wasn't the question about why some guys are not getting it as fast as others?
if a guy goes out, and tries so hard to get it on the first date and does not get what he wanted... should he walk away thinking he isn't good enough or man enough to get it fast enough? no...
why shouldn't he think lowly of himself?
oh that's right, the girl got to make the choice.....
so then how do women decide? re read this thread again.

 

[Jason88]

Women who are willing to put out on the first date get no love me. I don't mind working for it and it also tells you what kind of woman your dealing with. As penkitten was mentioning, It must be a difficult balance for women to handle. But, I guess the women who plan best, gets the best guys.

 

[Vypros]

i never said that it made 100% logical sense to a man on how we ladies make our choices, however, it can make sense to us.

I wasn't trying to make logical sense out of it either. I was using what you said to make a point and I made that point. Women really aren't that hard to figure out once you hone into how they think, regardless of all the clueless people out there who say things like "women make no sense". Actually it makes a lot of sense how they think once you realize HOW they think.

isn't that what the question was all about?
wasn't the question about how some women give it away faster than others? wasn't the question about why some guys are not getting it as fast as others?

No, the original question in the thread was asking at what point most guys get laid. I don't think that the thread starter intended on any serious discussion about it. lol

if a guy goes out, and tries so hard to get it on the first date and does not get what he wanted... should he walk away thinking he isn't good enough or man enough to get it fast enough? no...

Guys shouldn't be trying to get it at all. Guys should be guys, nothing more, nothing less. What I mean by that is that if a guy is focusing on sex and how he is going to get it, then his focus is WAY OFF from where it should be.

A guy's number one priority on a date should be one thing: LEADING. He needs to be a man, know what he wants and go for what he wants. If he doesn't GET what he wants, he needs to stop worrying about it and move on. I've heard of guys who have a "3 date rule" (or roughtly 3 weeks as the first few dates should be about a week apart) for sex. And while I wouldn't say that everybody needs to set that same rule, every man DOES need to set SOME rule about what he wants. If he wants sex in 3 dates, then he should LEAD the dates towards that. If you are comfortable with waiting a couple of months, then you should lead the date towards THAT. The idea is that if you encounter a girl who is using sex a form of control, then you DO NOT LET THAT HAPPEN. This is part of a series of tests that a woman puts you through (man tests), and it's easy to foul up by thinking with your penis.

why shouldn't he think lowly of himself?
oh that's right, the girl got to make the choice.....
so then how do women decide? re read this thread again.

Women decide what they want. Men decide what they want.

They get together on these things called "dates". If, on these dates, they discover that what they want is different, they go their seperate ways and find someone who has the same wants as they do, not try to fight and struggle for it.

 

[Hyde]

PenKitten,

I'm gonna have to say that I respect your presence on these forums. You're a great resource for us men who actually want to study seduction. Your advice hasn't been biased towards women. You give the advice this site teaches men in a womans perspective.

We should have an "Ask PenKitten" thread.

Men, I'm not saying that all of her advice is golden. In fact, maybe none of her advice is golden. However, knowing what a woman would say to any subject is always beneficial to studying seduction. Knowing what anyone would say is always beneficial to studying seduction.

 

[Vypros]

PenKitten,

I'm gonna have to say that I respect your presence on these forums. You're a great resource for us men who actually want to study seduction. Your advice hasn't been biased towards women. You give the advice this site teaches men in a womans perspective.

We should have an "Ask PenKitten" thread.

Men, I'm not saying that all of her advice is golden. In fact, maybe none of her advice is golden. However, knowing what a woman would say to any subject is always beneficial to studying seduction. Knowing what anyone would say is always beneficial to studying seduction.

Let me ask you a question...

If you want to know more about engines, do you go to a mechanic or do you ask the engine itself?

The engine itself doesn't know WHY it runs the way it does, it just DOES. Why would it need to know why? It's an engine for god's sakes!

But the mechanic, oh, he is a WEALTH of information on engines, because he's worked with engines. He's torn them apart, built them from the ground up, and his whole life is centered around what makes that engine do what it does.

Men are mechanics.
Women are the engines.

You draw your own conclusions from that.

 

[knglerxt]

Where are you guys meeting all these women who'll put out on the first date?

 

[Vypros]

Where are you guys meeting all these women who'll put out on the first date?

Bars and Nightclubs.

 

[Serialized3]

Bars and Nightclubs.

Yup. Too easy.

 

[penkitten]

Let me ask you a question...

If you want to know more about engines, do you go to a mechanic or do you ask the engine itself?

Men are mechanics.
Women are the engines.

You draw your own conclusions from that.

you speak to inanimate objects?

if you want to relate men and women as inanimate objects then you should consider the men being a transmission and a woman being a radio.

 

[blueguy]

Eh, I knew this much.

I was asking you to sit down and actually think about how retarded it is to give it up to a random guy and make someone you LIKE wait for it.

That's one reason to not show your cards so she can't discern which guy you are before the time comes that she has to make that decision.

By the way, to answer the question, if I have sex with a girl the first time I meet her, I don't really consider it a date.

A date is when you're dating, and I don't really think sex = dating.

 

[Bonhomme]

Where are you guys meeting all these women who'll put out on the first date?

Parties, concerts, clubs, festivals, wherever I meet people -- except for "blind dates" (online contacts).

It's not about where you meet them, but how attracted they are and what you do to get them worked up enough to want it, knglertxt.

 

[BlackJackal]

Where are you guys meeting all these women who'll put out on the first date?

There the same type of women thats being discussed. I cant speak from a dating perspective seeing as I dont date cause it aint neccessary/ or fun to me. Dating is for finding a suitable mate for LTR or marriage. A woman knows this clearly, which motivates her to withhold sex more than she usually would. So she's thinking like a general, planning defenses for all your tactics to get in her pants.

However if you just chill with her on a normal day, and make her comfortable around you, it'll feel more natural to her to let you hit.

 

[Hyde]

Let me ask you a question...

If you want to know more about engines, do you go to a mechanic or do you ask the engine itself?

If an engine could speak and had emotions, I'd ask both the mechanic and the engine. Sure, the engine may not know why it runs, but it could tell me how it feels while it's doing 90 MPH on the freeway.

Studying women is like studying any other subject. You must take both perspectives into account before you can make an educated decision. Otherwise, you're not well informed.

This website is not a complete guide to seducing women. None of the books written about seduction are complete guides to seducing women. They are only resources to study seduction. This might come off as a low-blow, but guess what? Every true "master of seduction" has talked to women about their theory's too.

 

[BlackJackal]

If an engine could speak and had emotions, I'd ask both the mechanic and the engine. Sure, the engine may not know why it runs, but it could tell me how it feels while it's doing 90 MPH on the freeway.

Studying women is like studying any other subject. You must take both perspectives into account before you can make an educated decision. Otherwise, you're not well informed.

This website is not a complete guide to seducing women. None of the books written about seduction are complete guides to seducing women. They are only resources to study seduction. This might come off as a low-blow, but guess what? Every true "master of seduction" has talked to women about their theory's too.

Exactly. It seems like the guys who are takin this info to heart, seem to be unable to live outside they're own heads. Regardless if you dont care much about how a woman thinks or feels, you have to acknowledge that they exist. Just like foreign languages. You may not like how they talk, but if you ever want to comunicate, you have to know the language.

 

[penkitten]

that and think outside the box once in a while.

 

[PRMoon]

Where are you guys meeting all these women who'll put out on the first date?

I live in vegas.