Are most AFCs religious?

[MetalFortress]

This is the gayest thread ever. Religion is not a factor in AFCism or DJism, except for really crazy cults who force you into subordination.

 

[Page]

God made sex, too, you know. But like everything else, you have to strike a balance that is right for your own life. The bible itself does not specifically say 'no sex before marriage,' most of those ideas came from the uptight church hypocrites years later. I would question the definition of "marriage" and expand it to what we see as a LTR. I don't agree with hinging religious morality on a government document. It was a government that executed Jesus - they are the bad guys. Today, many governments are trying to give or giving marriage licenses to gay couples. That does not suddenly make it moral. Regardless of what side one takes in the debate, the morality is bigger than the government document, so I think most people are wrong to cast the "living in sin" label on a couple who does not have a government license to be together.

(old post of mine)
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=93733&highlight=song+solomon

Much of the anti-sex message of the NT is actually speaking out against the giant orgies that were frequently part of pagan worship. The Bible seems down on sex in part because the religions that competed with Christianity 2000 years ago had sex as a central part of their worship. As those competing religions died out, the church started using control over sex and personal life to empower themselves as an institution. But imho the idea that sex is bad is not in the bible. For example, the Song of Solomon is praise of sex, not condemnation.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=26&chapter=1&version=31

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Over the past few months, I have learned much about this subject. I was raised as a Christian and I got sidetracked when I found this site. For years, I was here, soaking up information like a sponge. It brought me some satisfaction, but it ultimately never gave me what I wanted. Worse, it gave me incredible ammounts of power power, but in an addictive sense. I have realized recently that I cannot be both a DJ and a Christian, as both philosophies contradict each other in certain ways (for example, most of the stuff taught here encourages us to focus on ourselves, whereas Christianity teaches us to focus on Christ) . I had to choose one of the other. It is for this reason that I don't really consider myself a DJ anymore and I stick around only for the investment advice, which is fairly sound.


Bible_belt, (and any other Christians here-- this applies to you) I wish to set a few things straight.

For one, the Bible is very clear about sex being limited to marriage. Read Hebrews 13:4 and 1 Corinthians 7:2. A long term relationship is not equal to marriage, and shacking up is not a subsitute for it.


Sex is a good thing, but only when it is used in the proper way. Otherwise, it becomes an activity that can have dire consequences. (1 Thessalonians 4:3-5). 1 Corinthians 7:2 and Hebrews 13:4 makes it clear that sex is best confined to marriage. Even masturbation is something that should be avoided for a Christian, because it can be very addictive and it focuses on the self and encourages lust.

I also feel that non-religious people should not get married because they are entering into something that they can't fully understand and once stripped of it's religious background and mandated by the governemnt, marriage becomes meaningless. These people should spare themselves the trouble and just shack up, in the end it's not really any different because then they could just end it without going through a formal divorce procedure. I suspect that this is why the divorce rate is so high (and climbing)-- people fail to understand what marriage is about and end up getting a divorce when they get tired of each other. On the other hand, Christians are forbidden to divorce except for sexual infidelity, so for us marriage is the best option.


I'm sure I'm going to catch some flack from some people here for posting this, but it makes no difference. It's something that I have to do.

 

[Tomatoes]

I'm in the process of getting over this brainwashing but it's difficult.

But I certainly can't get it out of my mind that having sex with a "random" or even a girl after a few dates is wrong.

I have other issues to deal with too but I'm beginning to think that's the real problem. I don't neccessarily put girls on a pedestal but I do put sex on one. I certainly don't feel too good afterwords.

First of all.....Religion is always a set back when it comes to anything as its just a bunch of rules. DOnt follow relgion....dont follow the rules.

As you may know i have very serious veiws AGAINST relgion. (hope i dont get banned for voicing my opinion on it)

Anyways. I will say to you what i recently drilled into a friend of mine who is now my wing.

You can be "moral". You can be "good". You can be "nice". But im affraid to say that the world doesnt work that way.....its not like in the movies. Good/Nice guys finish last. Its always the case and always will be. If you want to succeed in life you have to do one or two things you may not deem as "right".

You cant make an ommlet without breaking a few eggs.....


In regards to sex......It can be held in many regards. It can be you showing your love to someone who makes you feel like nothing in the world could be wrong....perfect.....

Or it can be you banging a slag in the toilets at a club just to get off.....

Ofc the above is the extremes. Most curcumstances fall in the middle.

You have to remember that sex can be special but it doesnt have to be. The times when its just a shag will make you appreicate the special times more......trust me....

 

[IsiMan84]

I haven't read the entire thread, so forgive me if I state something already stated. I don't think religion matters for either an AFC or a DJ. A person can still be religious but religious in the sense that they strongly follow what he or she believes in, not what they are told. Being religious usually gets a negative connotation in the sense of following Christian (note the specific faith) doctrine to a T. I think it just depends on the person themself what they believe is good and bad.

A DJ could get all the girls in the world but not have sex with them because he doesn't want to. And if he is a true DJ then he would still be happy with his decision, therefore not making him an AFC. Note the F in AFC means 'frustrated'. If somebody was raised to wait until marriage and actually strives for this goal, does that make them frustrated about the situation? If a DJ waits until marriage, it actually requires turning down the girl, which takes some control. The AFC would lack confidence to confront the girl, and probably nut his pants and cry himself to sleep. Being AFC gets associated way too much with simply not getting girls or having sex.

Back to why I mentioned specifically Christian faith above, is the fact that faiths like Buddhism have positive attitudes towards sexual freedom, excluding monks. So this being the case, a supposedly religious Buddhist would be banging chicks left and right, whereas a supposedly religious Christian would remain abstinent. Therefore linking religiousness to sex is almost a completely debunked argument.

 

[Centaurion]

Religion is a tool that needs to be exploited.

Like today, even though I worship the Unholy Trinity I went to friday prayer as that is were most business is conducted. Use it, exploit it and you'll reach new heights.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Page, you seem to believe that you have many of life's questions answered rather definitively.

I have realized recently that I cannot be both a DJ and a Christian, as both philosophies contradict each other in certain ways

I disagree. Women love a DJ. I see it as 'doing unto others.' Being an afc will not make her happy, and it's really that type of behavior that is most self-centered.

The Corinthians and Hebrews verses are very vague. I think it's wrong to assume that the government license makes the relationship suddenly moral.

Christians are forbidden to divorce except for sexual infidelity

The 'sexual infidelity' loophole is only mentioned in one of the three accounts of this conversation in the gospels, btw. I don't think the answers are so simple. I admire your faith, but I wish you did not see matters in such black and white.

 

[thecraftylefty]

I think the biggest problem people have with religion is that it is so restrictive. You have to be obedient according to a book that was written a long, long time ago. It is a mindset that, largely in America, is forced on many people from an early age by their family, friends, and peers (and really without their consent) and have a hard time thinking critically about life and world views because of their indoctrination of religious subordination. It is a forcing of values and morals which I find to be selfish. So, let's get onto why I have a little trouble tolerating certain religions.

Did you know that slavery was permitted in the bible?

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Obviously I just googled that information. But I honestly can't see how that is taking a passage such as that out of context and miscontruing it in any way possible. It's understandable, though, that cultures and customs change over time. But there are some fanatics I know of that view the bible as word and law. That cannot happen in an ever changing world where changes of this magnitude can and do occur.

But let's try it again. This time, let's go and see some similarites between Christianity and Paganism. Quite interesting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism#Connections

Now, I'm not speculating here, I'm just showing some facts. I'm also not judging ("lest ye be judged"), I am merely trying to explain that there are similarities that seem crossed over quite seemlessly through time periods and cultures. But then again, why wouldn't it? Seems only to make sense; mankind is ever-evolving.

Let me go out on a limb here and say this: every civilization throughout time has had some sort of belief structure or system. They believed in gods or goddesses, and in turn gave them divine powers and worshipped them. Much of this has been slowed since the entire Earth has been conquered, charted, inhabited, and educated. At the same time, not every civilization has survived, and along with them their core set of beliefs have not survived to be practiced (including religion, customs, and language). Is it that far of a stretch to think that one day our civilization will collapse and perhaps from that everything that we now believe in terms of our religious spirituality will be debunked as well? Perhaps the next one to move onto will be a more "nature" al one.

How does this relate to the bit in question about being AFC? I believe it's the entire thought process behind every choice you make. If you believe a certain way, you will incorporate your rationale into the way you live your life. Being restrictive in your actions because of a religious belief, say, the most prevalent idea here at least, whether or not to engage in premarital sex shapes the way you will think about not only sex itself but women, contraception, children, pleasure, family values, etc, etc. From here you can infer that there are going to be restrictions all around the board. So let's say that if you are restricted from one thing that you are being forbidden from doing many other things as well (aside from real laws, obviously). And since restricting someone from doing something, in another word, is controlling them now we can finally see where this is going. By controlling someones thinking, you control how they act, behave, and see the world. By doing this you confine creativity and progress. And that's my problem. By impeding creativity and progress as a people we diminish our being by not experiencing and finding things out which we may not have otherwise encountered.

Limit the mind and you limit the creation out from which it stems.


thecraftylefty

 

[diplomatic_lies]

If marriage is based on religion...why do athiest countries like China and Korea have marriage? (PS. They're not buddhist countries either, its a common misconception)

 

[diablo]

This is the gayest thread ever. Religion is not a factor in AFCism or DJism, except for really crazy cults who force you into subordination.

Please remember that threads regarding politics and religion are not allowed on this forum. Thanks.