"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Are Jews better seducers?

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Where exactly did I go “hysterical”? I certainly did not intend to and was just trying to give you an answer, even though I think there really is not question here.

You are right, upbringing has a lot to do with “PU”, but that’s not “that” kind of upbringing I was referring to. I was talking about the religious and moral upbringing, and that’s something I don’t see relevant to PU. (I could be wrong here, and since I stay away from religion and tend to disregard it in my arguments, I do realize that this may not be the case for everyone).

My point is that if a person decides that in his own mind, he isn’t on the level he would like to be when it comes to women, he could change it by learning, practicing and implementing available knowledge and information. My point is that if you take a Jew, a Christian, a Muslim, a Tanzanian, a Hindu, an atheist or any other nationality, race or religion, their progress, success and evolution would only be affected by their skills level and their desire to become a master of their craft.

I don’t see the Jew having an innate advantage over anyone else; its all about the people involved.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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pinhas said:
Where exactly did I go “hysterical”? I certainly did not intend to and was just trying to give you an answer, even though I think there really is not question here.

You are right, upbringing has a lot to do with “PU”, but that’s not “that” kind of upbringing I was referring to. I was talking about the religious and moral upbringing, and that’s something I don’t see relevant to PU. (I could be wrong here, and since I stay away from religion and tend to disregard it in my arguments, I do realize that this may not be the case for everyone).

My point is that if a person decides that in his own mind, he isn’t on the level he would like to be when it comes to women, he could change it by learning, practicing and implementing available knowledge and information. My point is that if you take a Jew, a Christian, a Muslim, a Tanzanian, a Hindu, an atheist or any other nationality, race or religion, their progress, success and evolution would only be affected by their skills level and their desire to become a master of their craft.

I don’t see the Jew having an innate advantage over anyone else; its all about the people involved.
Can you agree that the right upbringing can give you a head start, right?
For example when someone is raised in culture where religion isn't repressing his sexuality in negative ways of being ashamed of it, where being a manly is not ridiculed repressed out of laziness or fear of masculine power, where realistic view of opposite sex is present etc.

I just thought it may be, judaism has these attributes or at least more than average Christian society. Comparing Christian New Yorker to Hindu from bombay would not help to understand anything. However comapring Christian New Yorker to Jewish one would bring answer to "Did our prosperity spoiled us to Nice Guys or is it nurture?" because those live in almost the same environment minus the religion/culture.

Pretending that we are all the same will make us forget to learn from each other.
 

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I agree that upbringing can shape a man; you are right. I don't think that your typical Jewish upbringing however, is the perfect vivarium for a man. I don't know where your getting your views from, and even though I am glad that my Jewish brethren are succeeding with girls and impressing bystanders, I personally do not think that the Jewish household is where DJ's are bred.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that this debate is mute because as I stated before, I believe that its about the person and his inner-man, and not his religion, background or upbringing. I do agree that those factors CAN be influential though, and its all about the man to make the most of his situation and become what he wants to be.

The Jewish household can yield Neurotic, self-doubting characters such as Alex Portnoy, as well as powerful game changers such as Mayer Lensky. Again, every culture, race and religion has its own spectrum where AFC's and DJ's hold their respectable place; Judaism is no different.

And I am a Jewish kid from NYC, and my best friends are both Jewish and Christian Kids from NYC; our individual success with women has nothing to do with our religious and cultural backgrounds.
 

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First thing I would do is to refer to them as the Jewish people, and not Jews. That can be offensive to some. Same as calling Japanese people Japs.

As far as the subject, I have never thought of Jewish men as seducers. In fact quite the opposite lol.
 

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pinhas said:
I agree that upbringing can shape a man; you are right. I don't think that your typical Jewish upbringing however, is the perfect vivarium for a man. I don't know where your getting your views from, and even though I am glad that my Jewish brethren are succeeding with girls and impressing bystanders, I personally do not think that the Jewish household is where DJ's are bred.
Again I was asking-searching rather than stating.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that this debate is mute because as I stated before, I believe that its about the person and his inner-man, and not his religion, background or upbringing. I do agree that those factors CAN be influential though, and its all about the man to make the most of his situation and become what he wants to be.
You realize you are contradicting yourself in one sentence, lol :) Never mind I know what you mean. Nevertheless the culture you can still make a difference. And I agree. I was just mentioning the head start.


The Jewish household can yield Neurotic, self-doubting characters such as Alex Portnoy, as well as powerful game changers such as Mayer Lensky. Again, every culture, race and religion has its own spectrum where AFC's and DJ's hold their respectable place; Judaism is no different.

And I am a Jewish kid from NYC, and my best friends are both Jewish and Christian Kids from NYC; our individual success with women has nothing to do with our religious and cultural backgrounds.
I acknowledged that. Hypothesis was dismantled.

Thank you all for input. And my apologies to Jewish People for using a term Jews, English is not my first language and I don't give a flying f@ck for political corectness as I mean no harm and as I'm sure they won't miss a sleep because of it anyway ;)


Good night.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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