Are Jews better seducers?

[DanelMadr]

Are Jews in general better seducers?

There is some public notion that Jews are good seducers.
I know, I know there is lots of public notion about Jews and I'd like to steer clear of most of the notions if I may ask you.

I mean I am even able to believe it as many Jews are very intelligent, lots of them very popular writers of books for women and many of them do have a ****y attitude.

I was thinking if it is true it may be because of bar mitzvah (ritual when a Jewish boy becomes a man). It certainly helps when you are acknowledged as a man although there is no rite of passage, which would certainly help more. Maybe it just helps with "not being ashamed of sexuality or gender".(?)

And patriarchal manly figures are very important part of Judaism. As opposed to Christianity where Jesus is portrayed as a celibate loving monk even though there is very strong possibility he dated Mary Magdalene - former village stripper And Mary Mother of Jesus is portrayed as virgin giving birth, clearly a publicity stunt for virgin goddess pagan cults.

On the other hand.
Visiting Israel gave me no clue as most men I saw were not very manly even though serving in the army and basically I was expecting more relaxed, more composed and "strong" men. Nothing worse than anywhere else. Just a disappointment. To speak the truth, the Arabs in Israel I've met seemed more masculine, relaxed and composed.

And let's not forget that feminism is very strong in secular Israel. And even most prominent feminists were Jewish.
And the movie industry which is clearly(another public notion) Jewish dominated is so AFC oriented.

I understand that no generalization can be applied especially as Jewish people differ very much among themselves depending on if they are from secular or orthodox families as an extreme example.

I'd just like to have some opinion...from some Jewish guy at best as you don't see many around in here. Or am I mistaken?

 

[DanelMadr]

Hmm...something to the contrary...
Nice Jewish Boy Syndrome

Portnoy's_Complaint

So?

 

[Acq]

I was raised as a typical "nice afc jew", it was a normal jewish upbringing, my parents kept telling me I was the smartest and the best, my fragile mind began to believe it, giving me the narcissistic personality disorder.

my nice guy approach kept mostly failing, due to obvious reasons.

parents taught me to be the nicest, most pathetic afc in the world, and that being nice and very polite to people would be a sign of my superiority.

I'm not alone, there are many jews who were brought up this way.

also, my family is far from religion and things like bar mitzva. only brit mila LOL

 

[handle]

I go to a heavily jewish school. The only notable difference is that some of them won't be coming to your party on Friday... There's nice-guy ones, there's bad boy ones, there's in-between ones... Same as any group.

 

[Bladerunner]

I've run into my fair share of total "good kid" Jews and my equally fair share of bad boy Jews. The Israeli club scene is pretty crazy too. There's a full spectrum just like any other group I suppose.

 

[DanelMadr]

I was raised as a typical "nice afc jew", it was a normal jewish upbringing, my parents kept telling me I was the smartest and the best, my fragile mind began to believe it, giving me the narcissistic personality disorder.

my nice guy approach kept mostly failing, due to obvious reasons.

parents taught me to be the nicest, most pathetic afc in the world, and that being nice and very polite to people would be a sign of my superiority.

I'm not alone, there are many jews who were brought up this way.

also, my family is far from religion and things like bar mitzva. only brit mila LOL

What are the symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder? And is it even compatible with being a Nice Guy? Maybe preventing you from seeing your faults?

Another question...Do you feel burdened by the legacy? I mean marrying a Jewish girl. I've heard in Israel from several people male and female that they encounter some disdain because they are not of "pure blood" (for example her mother was Irish). I think if someone feels the obligation it would be quite limiting at least.

 

[BigJimbo]

Israel is loaded with nutcases. Orthodox Jews can make any hardcore Muslim fanatic seem open minded. Ask ANY real Jew. They know what I am talking about. Many Jewish women are not allowed out of the house. They have to cover up. The men don't work. They just pray and shake all day.

The single most "progressive" Middle East country is easily Lebanon. What makes Israel partially progressive is all the Jews from America and England who visit and move there for a few weeks or months.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej13paGUQN8&feature=related
Progressive? Suuuure. Tel Aviv...party zone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILwveCiA20c
Beirut? You don't see this on USA tv. Interesting. Beirut is more progressive than America. Most of you can't drink or gamble in America. You could in Beirut. But hey, they don't support Israel so they are evil and backwards. Ignore the fact that Lebanese Christians dominate Beirut's nightlife, financial district, and gov't.

 

[Nexus Polaris]

My best friend is Jewish and he has tons of success with women. But he's also incredibly pushy. He's not smooth at all. However, he is someone that's good to take into consideration for any short guys that are insecure about their height. He's only about 5'4".

Conversely, his brother who is about 6'0", is completely the opposite. He's a classic AFC. He had a maneater girlfriend for a couple of years that literally ordered him around. I've never seen someone so whipped. But she wasn't some militant feminist or anything. She was a cute little feisty thing. I think she just got off on the powertripping of telling him what to do. She was nice to me, though. Because I didn't take any of her sh!t.

 

[Acq]

What are the symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder? And is it even compatible with being a Nice Guy? Maybe preventing you from seeing your faults?

the basis of NPD is that you are either in love with your brain OR with your body. In the first case you love your intelligence so much that you view others as inferiour. In the second case, the saddest case, you LOVE your body so much, that all others become irrelevant. You love your body to the point of preferring masturbation to real sex, masturbation in front of a mirror, or even gay sex, not because of attraction to the same sex, but because the narcissist feels he is making love to a copy of himself.

Also narcissism is about having a huge ego, ego which needs to be fed as much as possible, compliments are always welcome. The narcissist is obsessed with dreams of unlimited succes and power, being famous and rich. Many famous actors are narcissists, who get enormous ego boosts by being recognized on the streets, by being able to seduce many women. Notice how many actors try to hit the news once their popularity declines, they do it to convince themself that they are not done yet, and that they still exist.

One of the most famous narcissist was Jesus Christ, who pretended he was the son of god, and had a cult who believed him and kept feeding his ego so much, that we are still suffering from centuries of religious idiocracy.

in my case, I'm in love with my brain, "because parents convinced me that I was the smartest kid around". Got treated, but some narcissistic traits are here forever, basically i'm a damaged individual without feelings for others. Many jews are like that, a few % certanly.
I only like myself, or my intelligence. I dont like anyone or anything else, people are walking pictures for me, which can serve only one thing: provide ego boosts, to get it, I can do anything to appear special and unique, to extract so called "narcissistic supply". Im a manipulative liar, without any moral issues at all, I dont get sad when a friend of mine gets hurt or worse, its all irrelevant.

there are also female narcissists, beware of them guys, they are walking traps. Usually female narcissists are VERY attractive. Their looks were complimented by nearly everyone around for as long as these girls can remember, and their life goal basically comes down to seeking for confirmation among guys. These girls dont like anyone except for themself, are extreme attention *****s and frequently are intelligent too.

read this about female NPD, its more common than you may think.
http://www.drirene.com/female_nar.htm

 

[Acq]

Another question...Do you feel burdened by the legacy? I mean marrying a Jewish girl. I've heard in Israel from several people male and female that they encounter some disdain because they are not of "pure blood" (for example her mother was Irish). I think if someone feels the obligation it would be quite limiting at least.

idiocracy about "pure blood" is unfortunately still present among SOME layers of Israeli/diasporah societies. Most jews are not religous, obviously, given jewish intelligence is on average rather high, and intelligence does not accompany religion very well. I'd say 10% of jews are religious, 30 or so % have some basic traditions like bar mitzva, but dont really care about religion, its mostly traditions related, and 60% are not religious at all.

 

[Boxer]

This movie gives you an answer.... sort of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRUjy1Dhx-k

 

[DanelMadr]

the basis of NPD is that you are either in love with your brain OR with your body. In the first case you love your intelligence so much that you view others as inferiour. In the second case, the saddest case, you LOVE your body so much, that all others become irrelevant. You love your body to the point of preferring masturbation to real sex, masturbation in front of a mirror, or even gay sex, not because of attraction to the same sex, but because the narcissist feels he is making love to a copy of himself.

Also narcissism is about having a huge ego, ego which needs to be fed as much as possible, compliments are always welcome. The narcissist is obsessed with dreams of unlimited succes and power, being famous and rich. Many famous actors are narcissists, who get enormous ego boosts by being recognized on the streets, by being able to seduce many women. Notice how many actors try to hit the news once their popularity declines, they do it to convince themself that they are not done yet, and that they still exist.

But if you are aware of that it should help you to cure you. Forgive me for saying that but you sound more like self-hating than self-loving.

One of the most famous narcissist was Jesus Christ, who pretended he was the son of god, and had a cult who believed him and kept feeding his ego so much, that we are still suffering from centuries of religious idiocracy.

This is probably a question of personal believe more than a historical truth.
I believe Jesus was just telling Jews to give true meaning (to find the true meaning, to touch the spirit of things) to their worshiping of God instead of false obeying of rituals and religious masters the Pharisaic hypocrite Jewish priests who had him crucified for that.
And it is even written in Bible that he spoke of himself as "son of a man". But all people are God's children so he is one too.

The BS that evolved later was exactly the thing he was preaching against. Rituals over substance. And it took Europeans almost 1000 years to get rid of the political/power/religion mix which is always dangerous. But I guess you can't help it in any religion. Most people don't care about the basic truth, enlightenment and righteous life. They prefer rituals, easy routes and power.

in my case, I'm in love with my brain, "because parents convinced me that I was the smartest kid around". Got treated, but some narcissistic traits are here forever, basically i'm a damaged individual without feelings for others. Many jews are like that, a few % certanly.
I only like myself, or my intelligence. I dont like anyone or anything else, people are walking pictures for me, which can serve only one thing: provide ego boosts, to get it, I can do anything to appear special and unique, to extract so called "narcissistic supply". Im a manipulative liar, without any moral issues at all, I dont get sad when a friend of mine gets hurt or worse, its all irrelevant.

Again if you know it and you don't like it, it can't be that hard to get rid of it.

 

[Acq]

But if you are aware of that it should help you to cure you. Forgive me for saying that but you sound more like self-hating than self-loving.

I sound like someone who is aware about the desease and is not very happy about it. Narcissism can not be cured, its not like a cancer or a flu, its the way my personality has developed. Imagine you are 6 feet tall, u cant grow to 7 feet when you are already a mature man, right ? same with NPD, its a part of you. Could be hard to understand but NPD is generally considered untreatable, they DO provide help in therapy, but it does not remove all the symptoms.
Im still dependant on ego boots to function properly, the bigger the sources of boosts the higher I function. Ego boosts (or narcissistic supply) is a drug for us. We cant function without it, when we dont have it we go through severe withdrawal and our physical and mental health suffer a lot.

 

[DonGorgon]

lol women don't have to do anything and they can do what ever they want t cause over population of males has made them a very rare valuable commodity ... lol that's why women are so scandalous and out if control !!! an most have no dads just a bitter mom who is also a ho in most cases teaching her daughter that men ain't shti

 

[DonGorgon]

lol I'm not surprised at all that the mods have not closed this thread down... after all they wouldn't want to lose important funding... lol

 

[Solomon]

lies, lies, and more lies

lol women don't have to do anything and they can do what ever they want t cause over population of males has made them a very rare valuable commodity ... lol that's why women are so scandalous and out if control !!! an most have no dads just a bitter mom who is also a ho in most cases teaching her daughter that men ain't shti

Lol @ DG's over-dramatizations as usual, men are only born more then women, according to a 2005 study 101 males are born to 100 females, and we all know women's life expectancy is longer so in essence it evens out, need some facts?

http://www.ined.fr/en/everything_ab..._men_or_more_women_in_the_world_/question/53/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman


lol @ DG, you musta failed debate class homie cause you don't have your facts straight what so ever!!!

:crackup:

 

[TheTraveller]

I am a Jew

I'm Jewish and this thread is ridiculous. Mods, please stop this nonsense and close this thread.

Why don't you drop the religion card in this ridiculously stereotyped question, grab your balls or lack thereof, and live life.

Are Jews in general better seducers?

There is some public notion that Jews are good seducers.
I know, I know there is lots of public notion about Jews and I'd like to steer clear of most of the notions if I may ask you.

I mean I am even able to believe it as many Jews are very intelligent, lots of them very popular writers of books for women and many of them do have a ****y attitude.

I was thinking if it is true it may be because of bar mitzvah (ritual when a Jewish boy becomes a man). It certainly helps when you are acknowledged as a man although there is no rite of passage, which would certainly help more. Maybe it just helps with "not being ashamed of sexuality or gender".(?)

And patriarchal manly figures are very important part of Judaism. As opposed to Christianity where Jesus is portrayed as a celibate loving monk even though there is very strong possibility he dated Mary Magdalene - former village stripper And Mary Mother of Jesus is portrayed as virgin giving birth, clearly a publicity stunt for virgin goddess pagan cults.

On the other hand.
Visiting Israel gave me no clue as most men I saw were not very manly even though serving in the army and basically I was expecting more relaxed, more composed and "strong" men. Nothing worse than anywhere else. Just a disappointment. To speak the truth, the Arabs in Israel I've met seemed more masculine, relaxed and composed.

And let's not forget that feminism is very strong in secular Israel. And even most prominent feminists were Jewish.
And the movie industry which is clearly(another public notion) Jewish dominated is so AFC oriented.

I understand that no generalization can be applied especially as Jewish people differ very much among themselves depending on if they are from secular or orthodox families as an extreme example.

I'd just like to have some opinion...from some Jewish guy at best as you don't see many around in here. Or am I mistaken?

 

[DanelMadr]

I'm Jewish and this thread is ridiculous. Mods, please stop this nonsense and close this thread.

Why don't you drop the religion card in this ridiculously stereotyped question, grab your balls or lack thereof, and live life.

I'm not Jewish and this topic interests me. If you feel offended, please tell us why. I believe I formed the question at least offending way. And some of your brothers in faith don't seem to be as hysterical as you.

Which religion card should I drop? Only one I see is yours.

And please, I know my balls seem to be so nice and smooth andinteresting but please don't let your homo side take the worst of you and don't think about them so hard. Thank you.

 

[pinhas]

A religion or a belief system has nothing to do with success with women. A person uses his either natural or acquired talents to achieve success, be it with women, business or anything else that he desires.

Just as any other religion, Judaism is spread across the globe and interwoven in the original cultures (i.e the country that Jews may be living in) that they live within. It is true that the Jewish upbringing at times takes a neurotic or over-protective tone, and at times Jewish families “shield” their kids from the world outside, but this again has not much to do with women or PU.

As I said in the beginning, people use their innate characteristics to gain advantages; Jews MAY rely on their wits or intelligence (not saying all Jews are intelligent; their not) just as Scandinavians can rely on their blonde hair or Italians on their good facial features. (just base examples). It’s all about the person and not their religion, background or belief system; if someone wants to be good at anything, hard work is their only way there?

Generalizing anyone or anything is a big mistake and a slippery road; saying that Jew are generally good as seducers is like saying that Christians are not. There is no base for this statement, no data to support this.

And on a personal note, I lived in Israel for more then 10 years, and now I live in NYC for a number of years. As someone mentioned above, there are good-nice Jewish boys, and there are some bad ones, just as any other culture, nationality and race.

And really, what is the difference if they are indeed better seducers or not; if the consensus agrees that Jews are better seducers, would you become one, or get one as a mentor, or complain that your non-Jewish-ness is your downfall regarding women?

This is by far, one of the weirdest and non-helping topics I’ve seen on this board. Did we now go from “I’m not good looking” to “I’m not Jewish” or “I’m not blonde” and therefore I can get girls.

 

[DanelMadr]

A religion or a belief system has nothing to do with success with women. A person uses his either natural or acquired talents to achieve success, be it with women, business or anything else that he desires.

Just as any other religion, Judaism is spread across the globe and interwoven in the original cultures (i.e the country that Jews may be living in) that they live within. It is true that the Jewish upbringing at times takes a neurotic or over-protective tone, and at times Jewish families “shield” their kids from the world outside, but this again has not much to do with women or PU.

As I said in the beginning, people use their innate characteristics to gain advantages; Jews MAY rely on their wits or intelligence (not saying all Jews are intelligent; their not) just as Scandinavians can rely on their blonde hair or Italians on their good facial features. (just base examples). It’s all about the person and not their religion, background or belief system; if someone wants to be good at anything, hard work is their only way there?

Generalizing anyone or anything is a big mistake and a slippery road; saying that Jew are generally good as seducers is like saying that Christians are not. There is no base for this statement, no data to support this.

And on a personal note, I lived in Israel for more then 10 years, and now I live in NYC for a number of years. As someone mentioned above, there are good-nice Jewish boys, and there are some bad ones, just as any other culture, nationality and race.

And really, what is the difference if they are indeed better seducers or not; if the consensus agrees that Jews are better seducers, would you become one, or get one as a mentor, or complain that your non-Jewish-ness is your downfall regarding women?

This is by far, one of the weirdest and non-helping topics I’ve seen on this board. Did we now go from “I’m not good looking” to “I’m not Jewish” or “I’m not blonde” and therefore I can get girls.

Thank you for your answer.

Bare in mind I ASKED not stated anything.

Actually upbringing has evrything to do with PU if you consider inner-game a core part of PU as you should. I even consider 98% of PU.

And no this thread is not meant to be to develop an excuse for anything. I can understand why you would think that, as ss if full of these "I can't because something out of my power is preventing me...." threads, you mistaken this for on of those.

However I can't understand why would you go hysterical given no reason...just your paranoia about my intents.

Okay. No problem.

Discussing rituals and upbringing of boys in Hatzebe tribe Tanzania would be very interesting too as they still remain intact of civilization (hunt, rite of passage rituals etc.) and has the purest genome but I don't think much of them visit this forum.

Cheers mate.