"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Are guys sometimes property to girls/women?

sambwoy

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More specifically, 'cute' ones?

Just made me think. I had an experience in a pub once, where in conversation a girl was touching my face in a weird way, making lines with her fingers. Wasn't so much that even....its what she said:

'You look like a pretty person. Not ugly or really hot. Just pretty'. Openly and publicly (or words similar) ('Oh thanks very much', I thought), and that 'I just wanna put you in a pocket'.

Maybe that's more than a lot of guys, but really?

Was I like a puppy she wanted to take home?

I come across this subject before, about everything being like a possession to some women (exceptions of course).

Is this how some women see men?

Then, what's with all the 'men repressing sexuality...anti-objectifying women' BS?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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sambwoy said:
and that 'I just wanna put you in a pocket'.
I use this line myself on women that are small or petite quite often for the sole purpose of teasing them. I would be slightly offended and would treat this as sh!t test if it was used on me.
 

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j.619 said:
I use this line myself on women that are small or petite quite often for the sole purpose of teasing them. I would be slightly offended and would treat this as sh!t test if it was used on me.
Message to op to eat and lift.
 

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What's a cluster B?
One way of organising psychiatric disorders (used by the DSM [Diagnostic/Statistical Manual] published by the APA [American Psychological Association]) involves multiple "axes". Axis II is personality disorders which are divided into "clusters". Cluster B includes the borderline, histrionic, narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders. Usually, someone with one cluster B personality disorder will show symptoms of others (called comorbidity; although when one disorder is subjugate to another it's referred to by a sub-type), so calling someone "a cluster B" is saying that they show symptoms of one or more cluster B personality disorders. People with cluster B personality disorders tend to be manipulative and lack empathy.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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IBreatheSpears said:
One way of organising psychiatric disorders (used by the DSM [Diagnostic/Statistical Manual] published by the APA [American Psychological Association]) involves multiple "axes". Axis II is personality disorders which are divided into "clusters". Cluster B includes the borderline, histrionic, narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders. Usually, someone with one cluster B personality disorder will show symptoms of others (called comorbidity; although when one disorder is subjugate to another it's referred to by a sub-type), so calling someone "a cluster B" is saying that they show symptoms of one or more cluster B personality disorders. People with cluster B personality disorders tend to be manipulative and lack empathy.
Interesting. Someone has connected this behaviour to an actual personality disorder?
Usually in our feminized society, the attitude is 'it's what us gals do'. And society demands we accept it, even if its costly.

Yeah? Well sometimes that doesn't sit well with me. In a social setting, we have homophobes, yet in appeasing them ('no, no, I like women now'), we pursue women, many of whom are repellant. Maybe only club/pub girls? I dunno.

So many times I have seeked help from women, asking if looks are all they care about, and all I got was well-meaning but mean-spirited responses. Why?
 

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Not sure if cluster B tendencies are what explains this kind of thing (but have seen that kind of thing too), more just piss poor flirting skills and not being very good at conversation. Think about it, women can walk up to a guy and vomit on his shoes, and if she is "notfat" (and maybe even if she is morbidly obese) he will be asking her "are you OK? Can I get you something?" bladebla. In that kind of social dynamic is it any wonder so many of them are lousy at flirting and conversation? Sychophantic men treat anything that comes out of their mouths as funny, clever, wise, when almost none of it is.
 
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