SirFratserlot
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
are girls more scared of rejection than guys
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
TheException
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Absolutely not. Society has all the plugged in chumps fighting each other for the "prize"-women. Women are hit on all the time, even if there HB4.
That being said, flipping the script only works with attraction. Rejecting/playing hard to get with women without the preceeding attraction does not work.
That being said, flipping the script only works with attraction. Rejecting/playing hard to get with women without the preceeding attraction does not work.
Who Dares Win
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Reject an interested girl which is used to have guys to go after her and her hamster powered brain will go on short circuit, you will litterally control her as if you were a jedi.
But its very hard for girls to approach guys, usually they just put themselves close to a guy from who they want to be approached, only hb5 and less may attempt real approaches except if they are in a very competetive environment made of mostly women where its guys to pick what they want.
But its very hard for girls to approach guys, usually they just put themselves close to a guy from who they want to be approached, only hb5 and less may attempt real approaches except if they are in a very competetive environment made of mostly women where its guys to pick what they want.
I think so.
In my experiences, some women handle rejection better than others... typically the better looking the girl, the worse she handles it. Recently I met a girl who seemed real interested, but convinced me she's playing games and I just walked away. Since then she has pretty much stamped "LOOK AT ME" on her forehead.
In my experiences, some women handle rejection better than others... typically the better looking the girl, the worse she handles it. Recently I met a girl who seemed real interested, but convinced me she's playing games and I just walked away. Since then she has pretty much stamped "LOOK AT ME" on her forehead.
Megaman XIV
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Girls get approached far more than guys, and they have lots of guys after them. Girls are indifferent by default, and have options. It's even worse they control the sex market.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Women can't handle rejection much better than men, in my experience far worse.
I had a date with this chick (didn't kiss close although she put on lip balm and think she wanted it). I wasn't sure about her and had a few others on the spin and I told her I'm off on holiday for a week. Two weeks later I start getting anonymous phone calls on my mobile (never get those). I eventually answered the phone, "hello, hello". Hanged up. Didn't phone again. You can bet it was her.
I had a date with this chick (didn't kiss close although she put on lip balm and think she wanted it). I wasn't sure about her and had a few others on the spin and I told her I'm off on holiday for a week. Two weeks later I start getting anonymous phone calls on my mobile (never get those). I eventually answered the phone, "hello, hello". Hanged up. Didn't phone again. You can bet it was her.
The only times I can think of a girl getting "rejected" is when she's trying to get back with a dude she already dated.
Girls have always hit on me, but I never met a girl who plainly said, "I think you're cute, let's hang out," the girls usually beat around the bush and ask dumb things like, 'do you have a brother,' or 'you look like my friend,' and stuff like that lol. So it's hard for girls to get rejected when they dont really make themselves vulnerable in the first place
Girls have always hit on me, but I never met a girl who plainly said, "I think you're cute, let's hang out," the girls usually beat around the bush and ask dumb things like, 'do you have a brother,' or 'you look like my friend,' and stuff like that lol. So it's hard for girls to get rejected when they dont really make themselves vulnerable in the first place
Dust 2 Dust
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Most women experience indirect rejections, for example:
1. The guy they want never asks them out.
2. Guy ignores her when she gives them IOI's.
3. The guy they want is already taken.
1. The guy they want never asks them out.
2. Guy ignores her when she gives them IOI's.
3. The guy they want is already taken.
Fly By Night
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This hits it right on the head. Just to add to it, women do not count men they are not interested in as options. If a woman is approached by 19 guys she is not interested in and rejects them, she really doesn't even acknowledge them as "guys", but creeps and douches. But if number 20 is a guy she is interested in, she will be like "OMG, I found this really cute guy today!" forgetting about the last 19 other guys.Dust 2 Dust said:
What sounds more familiar:
"This guy tried to talk to me today, but I just didn't think we were a good match."
OR
"OMG, this weirdo came up to me today trying to talk to me. I swear he was stalking me. I told him I was late to class and ran off.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Megaman XIV
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A girl can forget about most guys she talks to easily. A girl feels rejected if a high value man rejects her. If a creep rejects her, no effect.Fly By Night said:
If we're talking about girls who are attractive and know it, then in a sense I think they do fear rejection more because they take it hardest; they expect it less, and more of their identity is located in their sexual appeal compared to attractive men.
PlayHer Man
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I think most of you men here have it wrong. Women handle rejection worse BECAUSE they're not used to it. Its rare.. so when it happens it has a stronger impact. Men get numb to rejection over time if they spin plates a lot.
Also.. you guys are only thinking in terms of initial rejection when a girl first shows interest. How about f*ck and chuck rejection when you plow a girl and never call her again? What about when you dumb a girl? What about when you take her on a date and never call her back? What about when you date for a month then go ghost?
You men are missing the big picture. Women rarely get rejected EARLY. Instead they get rejected AFTER men get to know them a little (or f*ck them) which is much more painful.
I have dumped more women than women have dumped me. I lack patience for relationship drama and I'm good at spinning plates.. so when a girl gets annoying I just drop her. And NO.. some of them don't"handle it well" at all. The female ego is MASSIVE.
Also.. you guys are only thinking in terms of initial rejection when a girl first shows interest. How about f*ck and chuck rejection when you plow a girl and never call her again? What about when you dumb a girl? What about when you take her on a date and never call her back? What about when you date for a month then go ghost?
You men are missing the big picture. Women rarely get rejected EARLY. Instead they get rejected AFTER men get to know them a little (or f*ck them) which is much more painful.
I have dumped more women than women have dumped me. I lack patience for relationship drama and I'm good at spinning plates.. so when a girl gets annoying I just drop her. And NO.. some of them don't"handle it well" at all. The female ego is MASSIVE.
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I think EVERYONE is afraid of rejection to SOME. We're HUMANS. Some will get over it faster. Some will be immune to it. Some are sensitive.
Some people are stupid and narrowminded, thinking in terms of gender or some bullsh*t like that
Some people are stupid and narrowminded, thinking in terms of gender or some bullsh*t like that
PlayHer Man said:I think most of you men here have it wrong. Women handle rejection worse BECAUSE they're not used to it. Its rare.. so when it happens it has a stronger impact. Men get numb to rejection over time if they spin plates a lot.
Also.. you guys are only thinking in terms of initial rejection when a girl first shows interest. How about f*ck and chuck rejection when you plow a girl and never call her again? What about when you dumb a girl? What about when you take her on a date and never call her back? What about when you date for a month then go ghost?
You men are missing the big picture. Women rarely get rejected EARLY. Instead they get rejected AFTER men get to know them a little (or f*ck them) which is much more painful.
I have dumped more women than women have dumped me. I lack patience for relationship drama and I'm good at spinning plates.. so when a girl gets annoying I just drop her. And NO.. some of them don't"handle it well" at all. The female ego is MASSIVE.
This is good, women only handle rejection badly, once they become invested, the grudges last a very long time and they never really get over it
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Who Dares Win
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What Playherman said its true, 90% of our rejection happens pretty early wheter is a cold approach or asking her out and she declines, those kind of rejections are more common but also quicker.
Women on the contraty get asked out and never called back after all their boriness and plain character emerges, other dont get called because they dont put out fast enough and dont have anything to compensate for which is surely much more painful to them because its a rejection on the person not a rejection on look or social proof like it may happen to us.
Sure women have more guys hitting on them but since they only consider "men" top percenters of the male sex its very likely that they experience rejection pretty often, top percenter hardly want relationship and mostly pump and dump girls or put them in the fvck buddy zone.
Women on the contraty get asked out and never called back after all their boriness and plain character emerges, other dont get called because they dont put out fast enough and dont have anything to compensate for which is surely much more painful to them because its a rejection on the person not a rejection on look or social proof like it may happen to us.
Sure women have more guys hitting on them but since they only consider "men" top percenters of the male sex its very likely that they experience rejection pretty often, top percenter hardly want relationship and mostly pump and dump girls or put them in the fvck buddy zone.