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Are girls in the 20-24 year range even worth considering for a LTR?

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Hi guys,
I've got more of a philosophical question that really has no right or wrong answers. I'm not necessarily trying to push any viewpoint or agenda, and am curious on your thoughts on the matter eitherway.

So as the title says, are girls in the 20-24 year range even worth considering for a LTR, or are you just setting yourself up for trouble if you fall victim to the trap that 'this girl is different than the others and is relationship material.' In other words, let's say all signs are giving a go ahead for a LTR with a girl you've been seeing, is it a failed venture from the start simply by virtue of the fact that she is in this age range?

At least for me, I haven't had problems with the fbuddies, it's the other ones that give me headaches. The first has an implicit expiration date, the second one doesn't.
 
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How old are you?

In my opinion, no, just like no man is ready for an LTR when he is that age.

My advice - don't go into any interaction with a woman thinking it might lead to LTR.

You don't even know her (even if you think you do) and you need to see what her actions are like over time before you consider her for an LTR?

Also what are your screening criteria for a woman?

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1780925
 

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NO! 18-24 is crazy category, just fuvk em dump em. even 25 is crazy. 26 or higher is where "relationships" are at. I have dated many 18-24. They are just not there mentally man. They don't know anything about relationships. It's not their fault. They are still growing. Their feelings change every morning, night, whatever. Will you find a couple good ones? Sure. But MOST are crazy and want to be independent at that age. Especially during the times we live in. It's a war out there man.

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follow your heart, but make sure she isn't an idiot first. the only way you can do this is by quarantining her as a ****buddy for a while before you let her in your heart.
 

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Honestly, I would probably up it from 24 to 30 maybe even higher. Truthfully, any women between say 18 and 24 too immature, anything beyond and is still "single and looking" most likely as well, cause women who are LTR material, aren't single often
 

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yea I think this is true for 99% of girls in this age range, and probably higher. Like the poster above said, it really isn't their fault, most just haven't matured enough. I think this is soooo important to fundamentally understand, especially when a fbuddy starts to turn into more. Don't have false expectations and irrationalities, just know what your getting into and go have fun. I think a lot of guys on here have been having trouble from not considering this, which is the underlying basis of a lot of AFC behavior.


In my own experience, I dated a HB9 back in high school that was incredibly mature and intelligent for her age (99th percentile SAT). I dated her for 3 years in a really healthy relationship, which I guess made me assume that all girls were like that. Now, 8 years and perhaps ~30 girls later, I know it's about getting it in and getting out.
 

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Yeah it's probably higher than 24, but like I said, the ones that are LTR material, are already in them.

Many women seem to think their LTR material(just check pof) but their not, especially if they're HB8-10, if a perfect 10 is single, it's cause she wants me be even if she think's she doesn't.
 
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runner83 said:
How old are you?

In my opinion, no, just like no man is ready for an LTR when he is that age.

My advice - don't go into any interaction with a woman thinking it might lead to LTR.

You don't even know her (even if you think you do) and you need to see what her actions are like over time before you consider her for an LTR?

Also what are your screening criteria for a woman?

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1780925
23. yea and amen to not knowing her even if you think you do.

haha and falcon, no i don't have aids thank you very much.
 

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good thread! yea i would say any age from 20 to 25 are not the right ones. i have met a rare few young girls who were very mature though but really, the ones over 25 are the relationship type... cause thats what im after. i'm 26 but the girl im gaming is a lot older but looks very young cause she's asian mixed. she's around mid 30 or late. i feel that guys have to look past their age to find good women these days.
 

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I will ride her out as long as she'll want to be with me UNTIL she gets to be late 20s. Even if she's still clinging to me in her late 20s, I'm on the make for another young one. There's nothing like young girls. I need some grip on the pussay. If it's worn, I'd rather masturbate.
 

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damn guys, you are all in it just for s3x? wheres the guys who want relationships lol. i love s3x but id rather have a girlfriend. im not really into the single life fuking random girls.
 

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Poonani Maker said:
I will ride her out as long as she'll want to be with me UNTIL she gets to be late 20s. Even if she's still clinging to me in her late 20s, I'm on the make for another young one. There's nothing like young girls. I need some grip on the pussay. If it's worn, I'd rather masturbate.
exactly LOL, I am 27 and not attracted to "women" at all, just "girls"
 

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There's nothing like young girls. I need some grip on the pussay. If it's worn, I'd rather masturbate.
:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:
 

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I've dated psycho's in their early 20's & pychos in their 30's..most of em are nuts!!! No matter what age...its all in their upbringing

no commitments unless you're really sure!!!
But we all knw how that goes
 

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Not true.. I've met a few girls that wanted LTRs with me. I'm not really an LTR guy though. It all depends on the girl. Some like to date around, some like relationships.. Not everyone's the same at this age.
 

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RSanders219 said:
Not true.. I've met a few girls that wanted LTRs with me. I'm not really an LTR guy though. It all depends on the girl. Some like to date around, some like relationships.. Not everyone's the same at this age.
Your missing the point. I've had a few LTR's, 4 of which spanned years in length, and I'm NOT saying that you won't meet girls that instantly fall in love with you and want a LTR- trust me they will if your game is strong.

What I'm asking you to consider, as a rational man, is whether you should even say yes when she wants to and that voice in the back of your head is asking you to.
 

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WhatdoyoumeanAIDS said:
Your missing the point. I've had a few LTR's, 4 of which spanned years in length, and I'm NOT saying that you won't meet girls that instantly fall in love with you and want a LTR- trust me they will if your game is strong.

What I'm asking you to consider, as a rational man, is whether you should even say yes when she wants to and that voice in the back of your head is asking you to.
Well if you put it that way.. I would just casually date for a while. Maybe a month or 2 and see if there's any chemistry, if we get along and all that.. Then I would consider an LTR. I definitely would not after just 2 weeks of going out.
 

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This is not a matter of young puvsy vs. old pusvy. If you want a real relationship with a woman, it would help if she wasn't A KID. It would help if she had REAL LIFE experiences, which few women have at 19, 20, even 23. This has nothing to do with guys going for older women. MOST of the women at a young age will NOT BE COMPATIBLE with you, not because they are bad girls, but because they don't want long term commitment. They just want to have fun. They even wrote a song about it. But, the older she is, the more she wants a family, marriage, commitment, etc. Of course it depends on individual basis, but we are talking about majority. Majority of young girls should be fuvked and dumped.
 

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I'm going to go against the grain on this one and say LTR's at this point can serve a real benefit (if you are also in this age range; otherwise, disregard).

I think learning what you want from a relationship, how to properly maintain a relationship, and deal with the challenges that come from a relationship, are things that must be learned from real life experience, not from a forum. I'm sure many will disagree by saying "just be a real man and you will never have to worry about relationship problems." I think this is setting yourself up for failure if you reach age 30 (or whatever) without ever having had a serious relationship. Unless you tend to be perfect at new things the first time around, then certainly disregard this. For the rest of us, LTR's are a great way to f*ck up relationships that don't really matter and learn from it for the future, so you don't screw up when it actually counts. As we can easily see from these forums, a lot of dudes f*ck things up royally with stupid choices because they are too involved in the situation to step back and look at it logically from the outside. Here is your chance to learn what NOT to do.

Of course, I am not saying you should exclusively do LTR's at this age. I think a healthy mix of ONS/f-buddies/LTR's during the late teens to early twenties is preferable than doing any one of these exclusively. It is likely that you will learn from it and become a better person overall.

And by "long term" I wouldn't extend beyond 6 to 8 months with the same girl unless it is working really really well and is really what you want. And leave plenty of time for sleeping around between relationships.


And on a more practical level, as a seriously busy dude I don't have much time right now to hunt random p*ssy like some other guys do. Having a girl waiting for you in bed to come home to is pretty f*cking nice sometimes.
 

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