"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Approaching for "practice"

michelangelo

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A question for the sages:


Do you guys think there is any utility, for a newly-attempting-to-be-reformed AFC like me, in approaching girls who you can tell are not really very interested, just as "practice"?

For example, if I meet some chick and within 15 sec. she turns away from me and starts looking around the room, she is obviously not interested in me. She will not remember me at all, or just remember I am "some guy".

SO I am not getting anywhere with her. But, I have a really good ability to remember names - so I won't forget her name, probably for a few months at least.

So if I see her in the future, I can walk up and say "Hi [insert name here], how's it going?" and then I can easily meet her friends in a non-awkward fashion because I am just saying hello.

I am not talking about "one-itis" here - but just using her as a path to greener pastures.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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even if they reject you straight away don't panic,if you got her name and have a good memory use could use it in the future like you said.
when you feel your very confident at your game and can approach anyone you could approach her already knowing her name..acting like you know her
 

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i think, "hey" would be better. just a thought. but that would be my style.

about your question..

of course.
 

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For example, if I meet some chick and within 15 sec. she turns away from me and starts looking around the room, she is obviously not interested in me. She will not remember me at all, or just remember I am "some guy".

.... dude..... you OBVIOUSLY haven't read enough material on DJ'ing nor have you absorbed it...

DJing is very fvcking complex...and its very much an internal game...

you obviously haven't embarked on the internal game yet either

my advice is to keep at it...

and there is no point practicing with approaching other women if you aren't really dj ready and you haven't sorted out your internal self...

just a small tip...
you have to captivate your woman..ask her questions...be funny ...be ****y ...continuously ..and don't be bloody shy ... there should be no silence in the initial convo..keep asking questions ... be a fvcking man...

she'll go wet just talking to you ...and after 15 seconds she'll grab your C0CK and play with it instead of ignoring you !
try it !
 

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Well, that last post was not very helpful.

Why have I OBVIOUSLY not absorbed these things?

Because I was rejected? Seems to me that is to be expected.

It's a numbers game, and all that.

I don't think there is anyone here who is getting groped after 15 sec. by every girl they walk up to. That is ridiculous.

chicksrock said...
my advice is to keep at it...and there is no point practicing with approaching other women...


Huh? Keep at it , but there is no point practicing?

Well, which is it? I don't understand that at all.

I appreciate someone replying to my posts, but please explain what is meant here.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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One tip: pay attention

For example, there is this hb8 that works at the gym I go to. As I was walking in I seen her yawning. So as I passed by, I said "Hey you can't go to sleep yet, your still at work.". Then I just went on with the convo.

The bottomline is to pay attention to what women are doing, it makes for a very easy convo starter. Of course there are other things but this is just one way.
 

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then you sink to the level of b1tches that use afcs like yourself as practice.
 

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Approach and flirt with as many girls as you can. You could think that you had 100% successfuly gamed an UG until you flubbed the phone game portion of it. There are many phases of the game that require constant practice.

You have to realize that girls have been in the game BEFORE PUBERTY. They talked about when it they were young, they strategized it, researched it, consulted each other on every date, etc.

It's going to take the average AFC who hasn't consciously been in the game a lot of field time to catch up.
 

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ok ok sorry for being so god damn ambiguous ..but your question is really very very broad and I don't think many ppl can be too fvcked typing .. well i'll give you 10mins of my time then

alright...
you want to know how to be successful when approaching women...which eventually means how to be a DJ... now you know why i think your question is so broad?

so I think you should read that DJ bible...its inspirational stuff...
and when reading it go through it slowly...absorb everything in it..see and imagine how the material should relate to you and your life...

I am making a lot of assumptions here, you may already have good game; but I am thinking perhaps not if the girl lost interest in you in just 15 seconds.....!

and no ...no girl will grope you in 15 seconds...maybe some drunk bytch in a club though...

ok so back to how to be successful at approaching women....

I think a lot of it has got to do with having a unique and cool and warm and friendly and fun personality! yes... and everyone has this cool/fun/playful person inside them....
So practice at being layed back and calm in every aspect of your life <not just realting to women.. i mean EVERYTHING ... your work, your job, your studies, with your family>
work on your personality
which means working on yourself
which further means finding out who you really are...

If you practice and make an effort to think this deep... it will make a huge difference...
and not only in this area... you should pay attention to what you want out of life.. what are your passions....whether you believe in god.....do everything to empower yourself and be knowledgable...

I have been working on doing this for a good year and a half and I am improving myself everyday on all aspects...
everyday i learn something new about myself and become more wise...
everyday i'm trying to live a healthier a life....
all these things make a difference

so in summary
1)work on unique cool/fun/playful personality
2) work on everything else which will enhance your DJ game...
3) practice being comfortable with women...befriend lots of women and just hang out and talk to them.... women are a different kind of being... you have to learn how to relate with them..and this will come through practice by being friends with women...
how i did this was that I made a conscious effort to be surrounded and friends ONLY with women... i would spend very little time hanging out with my other chumpy friends...

4) once you have done the above 3 points i don't think any woman will be able to resist the cool new DJ you.... the way you walk and talk will radiate style and confidence.
just looking at you and at your eyes....the HB will realize there is something different about you......ie you are not a chumpy loserish guy!
it will make a difference on a number of levels... you will have a lot more presence....
successful approaches will be all that you are used to...

so michaelangelo these are the rules that I have been living by...it is what i find relevant to me...
you can probably take what I have and adapt it to yourself... infact change a lot of it to suit you...

and also remember to keep these secrets of success to you..this will empower you with greater confidence....
wishing you the best of luck
 

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Now, *THAT* was a reply.... :)

Thanks for your advice.


I guess for those still reading this thread, I have not made my original "question" very clear, so here goes another try:

What I am getting at is this - I have been approaching girls.

Some have some level of interest, some have none. I will continue doing this, improving, and hopefully encountering more girls with a higher level of interest.

Meanwhile, since I can remember all their names easily, and thus easily approach them, I feel like I can at least use these "low interest" women to further my goals.

I can merely say "Hi, how's it going, blah blah blah, etc." for a few minutes, for two purposes:

1. In order to more easily talk to their hot friends that I have not met (if there are some), or,
2. To be seen in the company of women by other hot women that I have not yet approached , thus increasing my "value"(social proof)

Of course, the downside is I am spending valuable time talking to some chick who will personally do nothing for me.

So, I am wondering, in the experience of all you guys, have you found it useful to cultivate some sort of acquaintance with these sorts of women, for the reasons mentioned above, or just to ditch them and spend 100% of your time going after new girls?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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And I forgot to mention - this could be applied to married chicks as well.

In other words, I know I am not getting anywhere with Mrs. Hot, but she may have friends I can work on, and she gives me some social proof if I am around her occasionally.
 

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I agree with Chicksrock's advice here. Try to forget the approaches and practice for a while and focus on improving your internal game: i.e. your state of mind, confidence and personality. Meanwhile, absorb as much theory as you can so you know how to deal with the women when the time comes.

Once you get to a certain stage in your own development (you will feel it when it happens), you'll find that you don't need to practise on disinterested, unavailable or ugly women. As Chicksrock's 4th point suggests, women will feel drawn to you, and as I'm finding out for myself, they'll often to the approaching or make it totally easy for you and you can take your pick.

But in terms with your question, just try to chat (as opposed to "approach") and get to know as many people as possible. Make small talk with people in passing and just try to be sociable with everybody without thinking in terms of hooking up.
 
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