"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Approaching a girl when she's with a guy(s)?

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i've been approaching girls recently and been getting pretty good results. Chicks seem to dig me the moment i start talking to them, but i see PLENTY of hot chicks walking/talking with guys. Not sure if they're just friends or boyfriends, but i always let the girls with guys go to prevent a confrontation. But i was just wondering if i would just approach and politely ask the guy if they are together first before gaming the girl. You're being polite and confident at the same time. Any of you guys approach a girl when she's with guys? how did you handle it? did the guy try to **** block?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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hanson said:
Unless their gay they will try to **** block you.
i guess he will try cause he's jealous or feels threatened, but if the chicks into you, you're getting a number regardless of what the dude thinks.
 

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Espi said:
Approaching a girl who's with a guy or other guys has proven for me a waste of time:

1. You empower the girl by stockpiling her with more male attention. Remeber that all girls are, to some degree,attention wh0res, so the more men they surrounding them, the more powerful they feel...meanwhile, you disempower yourself because you have to demonstrate higher value to the girl.

2. You will likely be ****blocked. It's just human nature that the other guy(s) is going to feel threatened by your presence. Why play this game?

Also, if I'm talkking to a girl, and another guy approaches who I don;t know, I'll exit her company.
yea but most of the time, the guy is an AFC loser that is desperately trying to get in her pants and she's not even feeling him and has already friendzoned him. I've noticed plenty of times where a girl that was talking to a group of guys would literally eye **** me and not pay attention while the guy was talking to her and the guy would literally look at what she would be staring at :crackup: but i wouldnt do anything about it cause i didnt know how to approach the situation. Like i said, if the chick wants you, she'll let you know regardless of what some chump thinks. Women are always looking for an improvement.

And im not talking about the club/bar scene. I'm talking about day game. So she's not going to be so *****y. ;)
 

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Here's my SOP on this subject:

1. Open the guys.

2. Determine their status (orbiter, bf, suitor, etc).

3a. If they're the bf then game them enough to recruit them as pivot/wings.

3b. If they're orbiters then treat them as obstacles.

3c. If they're gaming the HB then put them on ./ignore and game the HB as normal. Once the attention shifts to you, and you are holding court, they'll usually just wander off.


To test for this, once you've ran some A2 game and just been talking to the guy a bit, drop a comment like "you guys look really comfortable together, how long you been married". If the HB is intersted you'll usually get the "Oh, we're not together" response. If the guy is a suitor that's your cue to ./ignore him. If he's an orbiter he'll be completely deflated and again, it's your cue to game the HB. "Oh, then you won't mind if I borrow her for a minute." OR "Well we'll just have to hook him up with someone now won't we..."
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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