"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Approach Mathematics

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Food for thought for today:

Outside of the clubs/bars on Friday and Saturday nights, legitmate approaches, even on hot women, are actually really rare. I am not talking about a couple small talk lines, or staring at them, or honking your horn at them, but an actual, open, build, close approach. Most women exaggerate the number of approaches they get, counting in all of the really half-hearted ones to make themselves seem more desirable.

Ask a really hot girl you know and trust sometimes how many guys actually legitimately approach her in a non bar/club/party situation. You would be surprised at how little this actually happens. The last girl I dated was about a 8, though she tended to look like about a 9 from a distance until you got up closer to her (maybe this was just me getting sick of her face after three years!). I cannot even count the number of times she would get hit on at a bar when we went out, or how many guys would whistle and honk at her when we were walking down the street, even with me right there. She would always say "see how many creeps hit on me all the time". She would always tell me every one of these types of stories. However, I never once, in three years, saw her get hit on in a normal, everyday venue, such as a mall, grocery store, restaurant, etc. I asked her once if anyone ever hit on her in these places, and the answer was "about once a year maybe".

Fact is, 95% of guys out there are not consistently approaching when they are sober and in broad daylight. I am from a city of 2 million people and I can't find one friggin wing on here or ASF. Its a small community of us here. Many guys are in relationships, even more lack the confidence, and some just really aren't thinking about it much at that point in time. When was the last time you saw someone obviously sarging a girl at somewhere like say, Target? I'll let you keep thinking.

Let us assume then, conservatively, that 20% of the age appropriate women that you see at any given time are solid targets (desirable and available) Almost all of these women are open to advances. Women who really, honestly, dont want anyone are rare.

Lets then say that there are 200 people in the venue, half male and half female. If only 5% of the guys are approaching, this means there are five PUAs in the building, but 20 women looking, whether actively or passively, to be approached. Because a woman is passive in her pickup, there are almost ALWAYS more women out there looking to be picked up, if even on a subconscious level, than there are men who are willing to be aggressive enough to do it. In other words, at any time, all available women are in play and on the table, but only available AND courageous men are. This leaves a serious supply/demand disconnect. We are not even calibrating for game, appearance, desirablilty, etc., just raw numbers.

The odds are in our favor, gentlemen, and to the committed and courageous go the spoils.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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al77

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HereToImprove There so many aspects to it...
a) I believe there are much more overweight women than man. Some of them a obese: I dont know why they are not losing weight, but we have to exclude them from teh pool of available women.

If a guy is overwieght - it is not a big deal. And if he is working out ( and overweight) - it is almost ok....

b) from the rest of the pool of women, probably only 50% are at least worth looking at. But it is not the case with guys... women are not so selective in terms of guy's look.

c) Many women are stupid for some unexplainable reason: they like attention, they are flattered when a guy approach them..
but what do they think?
"A random guy? Noooo.. I will never give out my number to somebody I dont know..." that means she would say "I have a bf" even if she doesnt, or give out a fake number... or simple would never pick up the phone.

Women are taught that it is "bad" to be pciked up "on the street".
Though... to be fair, most guys are taught the same thing.

After these a+b+c we are least with very few women who are worth and ready to be approached. My guestimate it is about only 20-30% from all women in good age range from 20 to 30.
 

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Your post makes sense and I did realize the majority of the time I do approaches at the shops I get a number close as oppose to clubs. Plus I have noticed the women at the shops are better looking.

Id also like to add something to your post when women go shopping the majority of the time they are wearing very little make up or none at all. This makes it easier to pick the up as they would feel slightly insecure about there looks as opposed to clubs were they have a ton of makeup on nd they think they look like godesses.
 

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Your logic seriously underestimates the occurence of women who, although single, are not looking to be picked up in random settings like a store or a shop because they are there attempting to conduct business or shopping and a PUA is getting in the way of that.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea or that the logic is incorrect, but I think if you're going to go picking up women in a target, unless you are targetting high-school/college girls, you are going to encounter a lot more serious flame outs (of the "Leave me alone, creep") variety, simply because people do not want to be bothered when they are involved in certain tasks. I know, personally, after a long day at work, that I have to go shopping for something, my goal is often to get in, buy it, and get home where I can lay down and relax.

One key to any successful pickup is putting the woman in the right state of mind, to the point where she becomes interested in you more than you are her. That becomes difficult when she already starts out with a negative opinion of you because you are an impediment to her finishing her activities for the day.
 

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Not that I haven't noticed it before but I was actually thinking about something along those lines today. I was out today Sunday looking for targets to cold approach at a shopping center near the university in my town. I noticed there were people about but few desirable targets and no one doing cold approaches. I ended up at a park where I opened a HB. There were guys standing around checking her out but they never aproached her. Well the long and short of it is I agree that hot girls don't get approached all that much outside of clubs, and girls get a kick out of the novelty of being approached liked that. However, that being said they still screen you on similar attraction criteria they use in a club or wherever. You still have to bring good "game". So even if it's rare for them to be approached in that setting they won't hesitate to screen you out and blow you off, as they have their guys from social circles, clubs, school, work, etc. to fall back on.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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So pimp its scary

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HereToImprove - I like your post three and a half thumbs up.

al77 - if a woman still has the curves, she's alowed to be bigger. The OBESE ones are pretty rare still (although more common than the 9.5's).

At least you know that woman are not AS SELECTIVE about a guys looks.

Ketostix - You also need to learn to deal with some of these tests that women are gonna throw at you. Put it this way, if her mouth is moving and your penis is not inside it, then she is giving some sort of test, or setting it up.

Cheat_LBJ - How is it that you have a problem, but then you gave the solution to your problem exactly? You should follow a bit of your own advice (as should I)...

No matter what you are gonna get rejected if you are actively approaching... don't let it phaze you.
 

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The moral of the post is that men must have the desire, gumption, and confidence to approach in addtion to availablity, while women must only have the availablity (and in some cases, yes, receptiveness).

This creates a disconnect in the daily environment between the supply of men willing to do what it takes and the women waiting for it (the demand)
 
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