"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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STOP hitting the keyboard with your cane Atom! Come on..... we can't understand you :crackup:Atom Smasher said:
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Azzholes exhibit strength. Nice guys/AFCs do not.
When you were in a relationship you likely reverted back to AFC mode. I think a lot of us have made this mistake.
That being said, not all women like "guys like that."
Being a jerk can spark initial attraction and help a man get a female, but often times that sort of behavior will drive her away eventually (unless she has low self esteem).
Try to find a middle ground.
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No, no... It was the drooling on the keyboard...JohnChops said:
The jerks can't hold multiple plates very well, they are very good at getting girls but most are short term.
Nice guys flat out suck in terms of relationships.
I however, think of myself as a Diamond, I may still have flaws and I'll correct them when I find them, but basically, you should be very attractive and immediately stand out if you are playing the field well enough.
Also, watch out, just like AFC guys can end up clingy, there are some really clingy women out there too.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
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I knew a guy that used to yell at girls and call them psycho b&tch to their faces. He always had a HB8 gf.
The nice guy usually has the money so the feeling from her end is "let's marry this sucker."
Whats worked for me is being sincere and not being too happy to be there, everyone wants to see how desperate you are, how many options you have.
Got to say never heard of a hot clingy woman.
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This is the reason why jerks aren't capable of keeping women.
Now if hot women were clingy, I'd be fine with that :crackup:Trump said:
It's the UG to average women who can get rather clingy and it's annoying as all heck
Just to say, a true nice guy won't have as much money as he could have.
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They actually really like it haha. I love saying stuff like "you are kinda cute" after a girl says im hot.
I even understand why it works.
The problem is, i don't know what is too much. is it ever OK to tell a girl that you miss her and stuff? My biggest issue with relationships is that i don't like saying personal stuff about myself, so i use quick whit to avoid most serious convos. but i've gotten called out on it before.
anyone got tips on finding a balance?
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Yessir... 100%. They'll even complain that guys are too nice and accommodating (low interest, friend zone) - while simultaneously complaining that the jerks don't care and treat them like **** (high interest, pursuing, seeking approval, and / or dumped and heart-broken). If you follow what they say they want, and / or assume things based on their complaining, and act like the nice guy - you're going to get rejected and fz'd too. That is, before they act all crazy and try to replay their past chaotic relationships with you (see: its what they respond to).Mike32ct said:
This is how it is with most hot girls. Everyone is interested, nice, googley eye'd, etc, and they don't care. Doesn't matter how good looking you are, either. You'll still lose to a less attractive jerk. Had it happen several times.
This is why being a jerk is effective with hotties, and why being one gets you laid easily by them. They're also dumb and shallow, anyway, and can relate to a lot of douche bag behavior, AND they're usually *****es themselves.
So basically: hotties = only good for sex and short-term fun.