Anyone think that online dating and IG is essentially a weak move?

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

The problem with this analogy is that on OLD. For the guy to contact her, they'd need to match.

Which means she's at least somewhat interested in him. Of course, CA, by definition, don't have this.

With CA you are using real life, face-to-face interactions to see if you match (and whether she's interested).

Of course, by definition, OLD doesn't have this.

 

[Bokanovsky]

In my view, you take the vast majority of men out there and you put them in a catalog, you will get the exact same things.

1) Men boasting about their money and their job titles
2) Men posting pictures of themselves in order to show their cars, watches, and lifestyle
3) Men clearly telegraphing how badly they want to get laid or be in a relationship
4) Men revealing tons of information about themselves without even getting a date
5) Excessive smiling

To me I look at this and I just think everything about it signals weakness, desperation, low self worth, and lack of mystery. None of these men really have any "edge", they are just copies of each other. Is it no surprise that online dating is horrible?

What kind of pictures and information should men put in their profiles?

 

[CornbreadFed]

Sure.

Just like if you find yourself hooking up with a girl you met on a cold approach...it's safe to assume at that point, that you two obviously matched, isn't it?

The difference is I can reasonably assume the girl on OLD is single while the random cold approach at a grocery store is not.

Ohh, is it kinda like..OLD

idk what you mean, but nobody is forcing you to be with a toxic woman. You are welcome to leave the situation at any given point given you aren’t married with children.

1. All women who take bathroom selfies at the club are 304's.

2. She takes a bathroom selfie at the club.

3. Therefore, she is a 304.

That is a non sequitur.

Not all bears attack humans but all bear attacks are caused by bears. Is it wise to treat every bear as a case by case basis or just assume every bear is dangerous? I choose the latter.

No.

I'm not able to tell (immediately) whether a woman has an STD or mental issues on a cold approach.

But neither can you, using OLD.

That is the point.

With OLD, you have a general description of the girl and can analyze from there. With cold approaching, it’s really easy for a girl to hide her BS if she appears overall presentable in public. As previously stated, I approached a girl that appeared overall attractive and normal at the store. Later, I caught her getting plan B and going to a trash filled paper plated Nissan rogue parked in the handicap section. There’s no way I would’ve known all of this based on a 5 second glance and brief introduction.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Tinder was Tits-on-Tap when I used it. A fantastic, game-changing experience. But. Like everything. Some love it. Others hate it. Do what works for you.

Never used Tinder except in Scandanavia recently, but I did quite well on POF, Hinge, Bumble, OKC and BagelMeetsCoffee or whatever the hell that was called that was popular for a bit.

Bumble and Hinge are still valid options for me when needed.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

The difference is I can reasonably assume the girl on OLD is single while the random cold approach at a grocery store is not.

Question..

The girl on OLD, you can reasonably assume she is single? Gotcha.

So, if this girl takes a trip to the grocery store, does her relationship status change once she enters the store? No, it doesn't.

So, if I see her in the grocery store, and I approach her with my opening line..

Me: Excuse me, Miss...are you single?

Her: Yes, I am.

Now, you and I arrived at the same location...didn't we?

I said all that to say this: You find out if a woman is single, by being a man, having balls, and opening your fuking mouth and asking her.

idk what you mean, but nobody is forcing you to be with a toxic woman. You are welcome to leave the situation at any given point given you aren’t married with children.

Not sure how this corresponds to what I said, but hey... good advice though.

Not all bears attack humans but all bear attacks are caused by bears. Is it wise to treat every bear as a case by case basis or just assume every bear is dangerous? I choose the latter.

False equivalency fallacy.

False equivalence - Wikipedia

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Life and death scenarios shouldn't be paralleled to scenarios of the contrary.

With OLD, you have a general description of the girl and can analyze from there. With cold approaching, it’s really easy for a girl to hide her BS if she appears overall presentable in public. As previously stated, I approached a girl that appeared overall attractive and normal at the store. Later, I caught her getting plan B and going to a trash filled paper plated Nissan rogue parked in the handicap section. There’s no way I would’ve known all of this based on a 5 second glance and brief introduction.

Soo, women who use OLD platforms, their lives are perfect...they are all the proverbial, wholesome, good girls...and whom all are followers of Christ?

Is that what you're saying?

 

[CornbreadFed]

Question..

The girl on OLD, you can reasonably assume she is single? Gotcha.

So, if this girl takes a trip to the grocery store, does her relationship status change once she enters the store? No, it doesn't.

So, if I see her in the grocery store, and I approach her with my opening line..

Me: Excuse me, Miss...are you single?

Her: Yes, I am.

Now, you and I arrived at the same location...didn't we?

I said all that to say this: You find out if a woman is single, by being a man, having balls, and opening your fuking mouth and asking her.

This is supposed to be a simple comparison, so I am not going to keep going back to it. A woman on OLD is single and actively looking for a partner by virtue of being on a dating app. A woman at the grocery store could be single, married, a lesbian, or otherwise unavailable. All we know is that she is a random woman at the grocery store. Therefore, there are simply more barriers to entry when cold approaching a random woman in public than when interacting with someone on OLD.

False equivalency fallacy.

I risk my time, money, health risk from a STD, a child, divorce, an angry husband, etc. Yes, I am going to judge women based on their profile pictures and external appearances. This isn't like picking the wrong ice cream flavor at Jenny's lol

Soo, women who use OLD platforms, their lives are perfect...they are all the proverbial, wholesome, good girls...and whom all are followers of Christ?

Is that what you're saying?

No, I am saying that with OLD, you have a profile to evaluate before you even start a conversation: pictures, age, bio, interests, and whatever other information they choose to include. Then you also have the conversation itself to make a judgment call.

With a cold approach, you are starting with almost nothing besides their external appearance. Everything else has to be figured out through that initial interaction. The one advantage cold approaching has over OLD is that you can eliminate the risk of being catfished about someone's appearance, but you trade that for a potential landmine in every other area. I am not anti-cold approach either; I am just explaining the pros and cons to both.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The difference is I can reasonably assume the girl on OLD is single while the random cold approach at a grocery store is not.




idk what you mean, but nobody is forcing you to be with a toxic woman. You are welcome to leave the situation at any given point given you aren’t married with children.



Not all bears attack humans but all bear attacks are caused by bears. Is it wise to treat every bear as a case by case basis or just assume every bear is dangerous? I choose the latter.




With OLD, you have a general description of the girl and can analyze from there. With cold approaching, it’s really easy for a girl to hide her BS if she appears overall presentable in public. As previously stated, I approached a girl that appeared overall attractive and normal at the store. Later, I caught her getting plan B and going to a trash filled paper plated Nissan rogue parked in the handicap section. There’s no way I would’ve known all of this based on a 5 second glance and brief introduction.

You can definitely not assume a girl on OLD is single. I've fvcked several taken women, married or otherwise unbeknownst to me until later.

In fact, it makes it very easy for women to get random d!ck on the side while still being in a relationship.

 

[CornbreadFed]

You can definitely not assume a girl on OLD is single. I've fvcked several taken women, married or otherwise unbeknownst to me until later.

Yall are thinking too much on this point, holy crap lol

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yall are thinking too much on this point, holy crap lol

Not really...there is a significant percentage of women on OLD that are married or in relationships just as there are men who are.

Trying to say this isn't the case is disingenuous.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Not really...there is a significant percentage of women on OLD that are married or in relationships just as there are men who are.

Trying to say this isn't the case is disingenuous.

No, I am just saying that this is a hasty generalization with maybe some hint of paranoia built in to it.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

No, I am just saying that this is a hasty generalization with maybe some hint of paranoia built in to it.

It's really not though. Even a quick scan of Reddit will show you countless threads of this being the case.

 

[CornbreadFed]

It's really not though. Even a quick scan of Reddit will show you countless threads of this being the case.

so can I assume if I cold approach a girl that she will call me an ugly creep, pepper spray me, and call law enforcement? I’ve seen it happen to guys often.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

so can I assume if I cold approach a girl that she will call me an ugly creep, pepper spray me, and call law enforcement? I’ve seen it happen to guys often.

I'm not saying you should assume that's the case. All I'm saying is that you have likely fvcked a woman before without knowing (and still might not know) that this was the case, as have the majority of men and women using OLD for any length of time.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I'm not saying you should assume that's the case. All I'm saying is that you have likely fvcked a woman before without knowing (and still might not know) that this was the case, as have the majority of men and women using OLD for any length of time.

I understand where you are coming from, but I don't go into OLD assuming the girl I am talking to is secretly cheating on her husband. If that turns out to be the case, then I will make that judgment call. Otherwise, it is perfectly reasonable to operate on the general assumption that a girl you are messaging on OLD is single. There are exceptions, obviously, but exceptions do not mean you have to treat the outlier as the default.

Otherwise, how are you supposed to have a normal interaction with anybody if you're constantly assuming the outlier worst-case scenario? Same with cold approaching a woman. Yes, some women might react badly, but if I go into every approach assuming she's going to pepper spray me and call the police for merely approaching her, why even bother?

Something does not have to be 100% absolute for it to be a reasonable expectation. You can recognize exceptions and still understand the general tendency.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I understand where you are coming from, but I don't go into OLD assuming the girl I am talking to is secretly cheating on her husband. If that turns out to be the case, then I will make that judgment call. Otherwise, it is perfectly reasonable to operate on the general assumption that a girl you are messaging on OLD is single. There are exceptions, obviously, but exceptions do not mean you have to treat the outlier as the default.

Otherwise, how are you supposed to have a normal interaction with anybody if you're constantly assuming the outlier worst-case scenario? Same with cold approaching a woman. Yes, some women might react badly, but if I go into every approach assuming she's going to pepper spray me and call the police for merely approaching her, why even bother?

Something does not have to be 100% absolute for it to be a reasonable expectation. You can recognize exceptions and still understand the general tendency.

I'm not saying you should, and I don't either. All I am saying is that it is far more common than people think.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

This is supposed to be a simple comparison, so I am not going to keep going back to it. A woman on OLD is single and actively looking for a partner by virtue of being on a dating app.

1. Only single women use OLD

2. She uses OLD.

3. Therefore, she is single.

Yet, another non sequitur, as P1 is not necessarily true.

A woman at the grocery store could be single, married, a lesbian, or otherwise unavailable.

True, but the same women who are single and available to you on dating apps, are the same women that I will see at the grocery store while cold approaching.

I'll ask if she is single, and if she say yes..then I am at the same place as you are, on the dating app.

The difference is, I am speaking to her, in real time, face to face.

All we know is that she is a random woman at the grocery store.

And all you see on dating apps, are profiles of random women.

You don't know them, and they don't know you.

Same thing at the grocery store.

Therefore, there are simply more barriers to entry when cold approaching a random woman in public than when interacting with someone on OLD.

How is it a barrier?

If she is married, lesbian, or unavailable...then we simply do not match, right?

But I thought that was the name of the game, filtering out the ones whom you don't match, while trying to connect with the ones you do?

It's the same shiit.

I risk my time, money, health risk from a STD, a child, divorce, an angry husband, etc. Yes, I am going to judge women based on their profile pictures and external appearances. This isn't like picking the wrong ice cream flavor at Jenny's lol

So, I guess we'll continue the rest of the conversation with you identifying the cons of cold approach, and me pointing out the fact that OLD suffers from those same cons, if that's the case.

"time, money, health risk from a STD, a child, divorce, an angry husband"

So, please tell me how your use of OLD, alleviates you from the perils of these^ things.

No, I am saying that with OLD, you have a profile to evaluate before you even start a conversation: pictures

Hmm..let's see which is better..

1. Big titties on pictures, with OLD.

or..

2. Big titties, in person, with CA.

Hmmm.

I'll have a large serving of #2, please.

age

What about it? If you are in to older women, go after women who are obviously older.

If you like'em young, don't approach the older women.

It ain't trigonometry.

, bio

You don't need to know her life story, in order to want to smash.

, interests, and whatever other information they choose to include.

If she doesn't find you sexually attractive, none of that even shiit matters.

With a cold approach, you are starting with almost nothing besides their external appearance.

External appearances all that matters.

If the guy is butt ugly in her eyes, all of the shiit he said in his bio becomes irrelevant.

If she is butt ugly and you ain't sexually attracted her, do you give a damn if she stated in her bio that her favorite color is blue, and her hobbies includes gardening and playing tennis?

No.

Bio's, hobbies, interests...are all just trivial bullshiit...unless you're looking for a long term partner, or spouse.

Everything else has to be figured out through that initial interaction.

Not everything. Just mutual physical attraction.

The one advantage cold approaching has over OLD is that you can eliminate the risk of being catfished about someone's appearance, but you trade that for a potential landmine in every other area. I am not anti-cold approach either; I am just explaining the pros and cons to both.

You haven't identified one con from CA, that doesn't apply to OLD.

Not one.

 

[Cheeky_James]

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You haven't identified one con from CA, that doesn't apply to OLD.

Not one.

that’s pretty close minded.
There’s quite a few pros to OLD vs CA.

mainly, In CA there’s usually people around, it’s in some kind of social environment vs OLD being a private conversation. This affects what can be said and the timing /time factor at play.

I’ve had heaps of kinky experiences via OLD that I’d never have had with CA.

wrt ARC /Mode One stuff in CA - afaics he already knew the chicks in his stories beforehand.
There’s no evidence on video of guys straight talking sex with random women in CA and having success. That’s better suited to OLD as it’s a private 1 on 1 comms.

 

[Sega Genesis]

wrt ARC /Mode One stuff in CA - afaics he already knew the chicks in his stories beforehand.

I never trusted those ARC videos either, it was all staged. And he made a boatload from it and no doubt laughing all the way to the bank.

I mean come on whispering in some random chick's ear on line at Target (or wherever) that you want to suck her t*ts?

Please. Common sense.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

that’s pretty close minded.
There’s quite a few pros to OLD vs CA.

mainly, In CA there’s usually people around, it’s in some kind of social environment vs OLD being a private conversation. This affects what can be said and the timing /time factor at play.

Um, not so fast.

This^ sentiment would hold more weight, if you'd actually approach the woman even if no one else is around.

But since you wouldn't approach her, regardless of who else is around; then using the "but other people may be around" copout is just a lame, chicken-sh!t excuse to cover up the fact that you are simply just afraid to approach women...regardless of the circumstances.

Nice try, though.

I’ve had heaps of kinky experiences via OLD that I’d never have had with CA.

This is fallacious.

We are talking about the method by which you were able to get the women...not what kinkiness occurs after you get them.

The two don't correlate.

wrt ARC /Mode One stuff in CA - afaics he already knew the chicks in his stories beforehand.

No, he didn't. There are at least 3 variations of Mode One, and they all have time-max parameters.

There’s no evidence on video of guys straight talking sex with random women in CA and having success.

This is a non sequitur.

P1: If there is no video of X, X didn't happen.
P2: There is no video of X.
Conclusion: Therefore, X didn't happen.

The conclusion doesn't follow from the premises...as P1 is false.

Your reasoning is illogical; is what I am trying to say.

That’s better suited to OLD as it’s a private 1 on 1 comms.

If you can talk straight sex with women using OLD, then you should be able to do it in person.

The only difference is a damn phone/computer screen.

Verbal cowards.

 

[Tilex]

I remember when I was heavily involved with online dating in my 20's, I took it at face value, and not seeing how destructive it is.
I compared it to an online marketplace where men want to meet women & women want to meet men.

Now that I'm older and have stopped online dating for well over a decade now, I've had several revelations about it.
You're putting yourself out there to be judged very harshly by lower tier women.
Doesn't even matter how good looking you are either. Your words, phrases, spelling, grammar, vocabulary, profession, height, location, type of pet you own, your clothing preferences, how many pictures you have, how many friends & followers you have, your profile ranking...etc. Everything about your existence gets judged.
And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

The next level to be harshly judged is communication.
In online dating there's sh!t testing and also bait sh!t testing.
Bait sh!t testing is on another level. It's where women put something out in a text or email exchange that comes across as flirting or sexual innuendo. If you respond back by flirting or with a sexual innuendo, she blocks you.

The final level to be harshly judged is meeting up for a first date.
They judged you by pictures & words, now they get to judge you by physical appearance, tone of voice, hygiene, movement, mannerisms, and date locations.