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Hooligan Harry, you are right on the money with all your posts in this thread. Very well said!

And one other thing I'd like to say also to the guys here...I heard that in Jewish custom(forget what sect of Judaism it is), when a boy reaches the age of 16, his family hires a prostitute for him to explore and get aquainted with his manhood? It's his initiation into manhood. No joke, this is what a work colleague of mine was telling me who is friends with this Jewish guy.
 

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wjh said:
You make great points Harry.

But I did slightly preface my point a bit by saying that for me, I would rather not risk the items that I listed, and spend my time improving myself, so as to attract women that are genuinely interested in me (and aren't prostitutes).

Sure, I may have to pay in time and effort, but I certainly don't want to directly spend $ so I can sleep with prostitutes. I want girls who offer more than sex, but are also very attractive.

To each his own, but whether that feeling like a loser psychology is real, or culturally ingrained, is purely academic.
I agree 100%.

Like I say, its not something I have been able to do yet either. As much as I may rationalise it I am also not comfortable with the idea.

Fact is, in the west, you openly admit you pay for sex at your peril. People lose respect for you. Suggest the fact that you refuse to pay for sex in a country where its part and parcel of society and they will think you gay or lose respect for you.
 

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I dont try to justify paying for sex.
Why not? You basically are though throughout this thread. Listen man, don't be ashamed to justify it. It's so obvious there is no harm in it. I'm always one to stand up for what's right..if I thought prostitution was wrong or there was harm involved in it, believe me, I'd be the first one to say so.
 

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Blue Phoenix said:
Another funny thing is when americans go to South America and easily get laid. They think SAs are more sexual, or that they (americans, "gringos") have a better "game". However, in the end it all boils down to status and "money".
Yup, I agree. These guys are under the deluded premise that foreign chicks are "nicer" and more pleasant to deal with. Yeah, they're nicer and more "pleasant" because you have the status and wealth that they like. It's all very simple to figure out. For the millionth time, women are women no matter where you go in the world. They are all the same.
 

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This man is the "Donald Trump" of South America. See to whom he´s married!
He´s 52 yo, and She´s 31 yo. This difference is not that bad, actually. However you never see a man like him married to a 50 yo woman!

http://www.cabecadecuia.com/imagem/materias/8c1b1f79f27bd89588c99efb58a3abef.jpg

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It´s interesting that she has money and fame, but he has wayyyyy more money and fame. He´s paying her with status and she´s paying him with her hot body.
 

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Hooligan Harry said:
Again, your perception is skewed. Its been drummed into us that prostitution is for the lowest of the low. For the desperate. Odd that the one culture which refuses to accept the fact that sex is a commodity, and always has been a commodity, happens to be the culture with the highest divorce rates and gender related social issues on the planet.

You say you dont pay for women? That is where you are wrong. You always pay. Time, money or effort. YOU PAY. For me, the time it takes to date and seduce a women costs me more then it would to hire a hooker. Black and white numbers make dating more expensive for me. Not to mention the emotional outlay and drama that comes with it. The fact that I enjoy the process is the only thing that makes it worthwhile. If it was a purely physical act I was looking for, it would cost me a fortune to chase ***** for the sake of ***** alone.

"No man ever lost women chasing money. But he sure loses a lot of money chasing women"

(Some movie with Chris Rock. I think I love my wife or something, forget the name of it.)

The time you spend in the gym? Most men are not doing it because they need to stay fit for a sport they play or because they compete in anything. The majority do it to stay in shape so they can attract women. Again, time and effort which could be spent generating wealth.

Genghis Khan had harems. Hell, the Romans conducted orgies where prostitutes were part and parcel of the weekend entertainment. In fact, prostitution was so ingrained in Roman life that it was not even frowned upon. Dont build a case using historical figures. They lend no weight to it.

I dont try to justify paying for sex. Like I say, its not something I have done yet. Im taking what is an emotional subject and trying to look at it rationally. So far, from what I can see, its only feminised, religious cultures that demonise prostitution. Historically its part and parcel of every culture. It still is part and parcel of most cultures.

As for the conversation? Well this is a forum and an exchange of ideas. I would like to think that perhaps the MM forum on these boards is aimed at providing thought provoking debate on sex, society and relationships instead of simple "how to get laid" guides all the time.
No you're missing what I'm saying. I'm not saying that using a call girl makes you a loser, nor am I saying that promiscuity makes you a loser. I'm saying that coming to a forum about maximizing your potential and picking up women, only to talk about call girls, is a a complete waste of time.

This isn't a discussion on "sex, soceity, and relationships"; I would welcome that. But the OP didn't ask for that- he asked about call girls. And the whole conversation can be summed up as they're pleasureable but expensive. What more needs to be said?

It's like ordering McDonalds. Why waste time talking about it? ANYONE can do it. You don't need to talk about it- just go do it. The time you're spending talking about it could be spent improving yourself (by building your wealth for example).
 

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The argument against prostitution is yet another example of the disconnect that allows people to justify behavior in western society.

If sex WASN'T an economic exchange in most cases, then women would always put out on the first date, when they really WANT to fukk. There would be none of this "make him wait" crap. Why do you think it's such a game? Because sex is CURRENCY, like it or not.

This is why a woman will fukk the good genes guy on the first night and make the provider guy wait a month.
 
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I'd like to chip in my own few drops of testosterone about prostitution/escorts.

Thinking that it is for losers and chumps who can't get laid, is a misconception. Sure, chumps and losers often resort to such women.

However, escorts are attractive women who enjoy sex and who have decided to market this asset in exchange for finance. Yeah, sure, the money bit is perhaps the downside.

But think of this: an escort means you get a girl who is really attractive (you can even pick out the one you really like) and she'll be open to do a lot more sexually than most regular women are up for. In fact, because they like sex, they're ALWAYS comfortable with themselves sexually and know a hell of a lot more about pleasing you than a regular woman does. With an escort, you don't have to worry about getting your fix because your girl's a bit unsure of herself. She doesn't need to be told to try stuff. She doesn't just lay there waiting for things to come. She takes the initiative. Plus, there's no drama and no desire for relationships. No strings you're not looking for.

An escort is a FB you pay for. Period. Why do you think there's the saying "Men want a woman who's a freak in the sack, a cook in the kitchen and a mother to his children".

Why is that, ladies? :D

Hahaha! Society always uses this type of expression to shame men in their desires, while it should be the women who say it who really need to take that saying to heart and learn to be SEXUAL instead of being some semi-frigid ice queen. Funny how healthy sexual behaviour and appetites in men are used today to excuse the childish, impaired and frustrated upbringing of women and wussies, eh?

Anyway! Escorts.

I think escorts are ideal for the Man/DJ who can't get enough of women, sex, and who wants to try out a lot of sexual stuff with someone relaxed and knowledgeable about sex and herself, and who doesn't want to deal with female drama or unwanted strings. Or a Man/DJ who wants to be really satisfied for a change without having to constantly think about not freaking out or directing the woman he's with. In other words: not having to deal with a woman's sexual issues and insecurities. Somtimes that's very relaxing for a change.

I haven't been with an escort yet, but considering the drama a lot of women bring, I'm more and more tempted to try out paying for sex that I like without the strings attachted. Just pay and play. Done. Perfect.

And note that I deliberately use the word "escorts". If you have a good agency, they are a class higher than prostitutes. They often look better, dress more classy, have better manners and education, etcetera. They know sex. They know pleasure. They know themselves. Of course you pay for that, so often they're for the man higher up. It's a downside if you don't have a lot to spend but a plus if you're relatively loaded. In fact, were I filthy rich, I'd probably stick with regular escorts for sex exclusively until I get desires of settling down with someone.

And as some have already put it: pretending that prostitution is bad, is just as much controlling nonsense as the church trying to regulate when you can and cannot have sex. Societal conditioning. Shaming tactics. Manipulation. Take your pick.

There is no shame in paying for something you want: a good, gratifying, fulfilling sexual experience. You don't feel bad about buying that fancy sports car, do you? Or do people shame you for going the easy route and not building it yourself? Well?



By the way STR8UP, your statement:

If sex WASN'T an economic exchange in most cases, then women would always put out on the first date, when they really WANT to fukk. There would be none of this "make him wait" crap. Why do you think it's such a game? Because sex is CURRENCY, like it or not.
was once again confirmed this Sunday night.

The girl I was intimate with had in advance really decided to not have sex with me, because it was more or less our first date after we had seen eachother on a non-date basis three times. Yet I gave her a good time for two, three hours, going further and further down and after she had her fix (twice), she was all wax in my hands and wanted me inside (yeah, she was a bit of a though nut to crack). After we were done and she was melting blissfully in my arms, she told me about her initial non-intentions and said: "I never do this so soon, honest. But you know, maybe that's what society has engrained into me, not to be "easy". You were so wonderful... I feel so safe, so accepted, I don't regret giving in to my desire tonight."

Really now? I hadn't thought about that. You're quite perceptive. :D
(I guess this is because she's quite smart and also studies psychology.)

Then we went at it again for another four hours. And again when we woke up in the morning. No obstructions on these occasions. Followed by a nice sexy shower together. I'm probably all good for some repeat action in a few days, as she texted me the evening after, saying that her head was still spinning and that she wanted to see me again really soon.

Very smart of you again, little missy. :D


There IS an economy of sex. Sex is the currency for PLEASURE, gentlemen. Pleasure. Provide enough pleasure and sex will be invested in you. Paid, in other words.

This is the difference between most people and Men/DJ's: most people believe THEY have to invest or pay this pleasure, in order to get the commodity they want (sex). But a Man/DJ knows: the one receiving his pleasure is really the buyer. So, you invest a little pleasure as a sample and the buyer of pleasure will be convinced that you are sincere and worthwhile of her investment and pay YOU with sex. And once you invest that little sample once, YOU get paid multiple times in a row without hesitation, like any enthousastic investor or satisfied customer would.

Sex as currency reversed. And as such, power to Men who think like this. Let those women think they carry the commodity we have to buy. They really don't know that they're the ones paying us.

However, no matter what belief you prefer to adhere to, eventually you always exchange sex for pleasure. So if you're not in the mood for pleasing, don't want to do your investment research or just want to be selfish for a change, then there's no shame in investing cold hard cash in the pleasure you really want. The only difference is the nature of the currency and the time it takes for the transaction to take place.
 
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I had a pro in Volgograd, Russia that cost me $7/hr. Cheaper than going to the bowling alley.
 

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I also think it stunts your growth. If you really want to improve your success with women (on your terms), improving your inner/outer game is much more effective in the long run than settling for a prostitute.

I somewhat disagree... for a guy who is a virgin, its a really good way to get the initial awkwardness out of the way and get the ball rolling. Some of the greatest womanisers in the world started off by f*cking a hooker at a young age and getting comfortable with the principles of sexuality.
 

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This thread is inspiring :D

But is it enough to overwhelm my cheapskate nature? Hmmm...



OH! I have a good question, have any of your *****mongers ever videotaped your sex with a U.S. callgirl? What I really want to know is, does it cost (alot) extra?

I would so totally be down with creating my own masturbation material.
 

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I have had one three times. I rent a hotel room and then call an escort service and someone comes over. I find that each time I called an escort, the weeks or two following I always picked up more or had a better rapport with girls. Getting laid is a confidence booster. If I talk to a girl today (haven't had sex in two months) and then tomorrow (after being with an escort) I am going to project waaay more confidence and in turn, will be more attractive.

If I were a virgin, I wouldn't want a callgirl for my first time, but if I wanted to simply work on or upgrade my bedroom skills it would be a great way to do it.

Not that I need to upgrade my skills, I deliver in the bedroom; the last callgirl confirmed this when she told me she should be paying ME.

But to answer the OP's question, yes I have. But, only as a last resort.
 

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piranha45 said:
This thread is inspiring :D

But is it enough to overwhelm my cheapskate nature? Hmmm...



OH! I have a good question, have any of your *****mongers ever videotaped your sex with a U.S. callgirl? What I really want to know is, does it cost (alot) extra?

I would so totally be down with creating my own masturbation material.
I don't know about US call girls. It will cost extra to record video for sure. I know some Canadian call girls charge extra money for recording video. These girls look like models thus they love to earn extra money.
 

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picard said:
I don't know about US call girls. It will cost extra to record video for sure. I know some Canadian call girls charge extra money for recording video. These girls look like models thus they love to earn extra money.
Picard, and to all who currently use escorts, or wish to use escorts, I wouldn't recommend it...I recently found out that you can STILL be arrested, even if there is no communication of "sex in exchange for money". I first heard this on the Erotic Review, and it has further been confirmed by Bible_Belt, as I've been conversating with him on this. Yeah, it's f*cked up, but that's how this crazy, backwards, unjust gov't works, even after it bluntly states in the penal code law how the only way you can be arrested, is if, "sex for money is communicated in any way". Apparently, Law Enforcement takes the law it into their own hands and can still arrest you.
 

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call girls are fun. using escorts is pretty safe. I call one up every once in awhile, when I need that extra boost in sexual experience or if i'm just super bored lol. I have been doing it since sophomore year of college. picking up a street walker, now that is where the thrill is at. lol
 

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I'll admit that I've considered the idea. I'm not even concerned about the legal ramifications.

What DOES concern me, and what remains the issue(s) preventing me from doing so to this day are:

1) The trusthworthiness of the women. You're basically paying someone to do an illegal thing for you. They could drug you, rob you, or otherwise f*ck you over (in a bad way). What are you going to do, go to the police? It's like quality control in recreational drugs. Hell, if you sex these women, they could potentially get knocked up by you and stick you for child-support.

2) The cleanliness of the women. When a woman will sleep with anyone who has money, not just dudes who are "Don Juan" enough to break her, it seems like you have a wider range of exposure to STDs. Sure you can just wear a condom, but I don't much relish the idea of performing or receiving oral with a condom.

3) Price. I make decent money, but last time I was quoted, the going rate for the type of prostitute who works the hallways between the casinos at 2AM in Vegas is $300/hour. Figure top-shelf being more like 5, but I can't see paying $300/weekend for sex. Some might be able to...a full weekend of clubbing including drinks, etc, can often amount to $100 or more, plus gas money to drive up there, money for clubbing clothes, etc...there are some nights where I can see just a 3-bill drop for some top-shelf 'tang. But then there are external costs with that as well, usually in the form of a hotel room. You don't want escorts knowing where you live.
 

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In the past 8 years, I have been with over two hundred pros. Most of these were in the Mexican border cities like Juarez, Reynosa, and Nuevo Laredo where you can get a smoking hot 19 year old for $20 for a quickie. A half hour with a bar girl runs you $40 and an hour long massage all inclusive sets you back $35.

It's always a good time, and I will admit that it has spoiled me. I rarely hook up with non-pro's anymore and instead have a few favorites at the bars that treat me better than any gf ever has. Sure I'm paying them to treat me well, but as was mentioned, we all pay for it one way or another. And I'm certain these 'relationships' are the most honest ones I have ever had.

But I think this hobby CAN damage your game a little if you feel bad about being with a pro. Or you can just view it as having more options or spinning plates, which will keep you from getting desperate or staying in a bad relationship. It's all how you look at it.
 

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Aenigma said:
No you're missing what I'm saying.

It's like ordering McDonalds. Why waste time talking about it? ANYONE can do it. You don't need to talk about it- just go do it.
Your missing the point. Its nothing like McDonald's and if you've ever tried it, you would know. Not everyone can do it. Most of you blokes can't afford it.

There is a difference between getting a street walker and a high end call girl, kinda like the difference between McDonald's and a 4 star restaurant.

That being said, having sex with a call girl is also a completely different experience than having sex with a significant other or a ONS for that matter. Its a completely different experience but most men don't have the balls to try something because society tells them its taboo.

But you keep staying brainwashed. Its honourable work your doing.
 

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I'll admit that I've considered the idea. I'm not even concerned about the legal ramifications.

What DOES concern me, and what remains the issue(s) preventing me from doing so to this day are:

1) The trusthworthiness of the women. You're basically paying someone to do an illegal thing for you. They could drug you, rob you, or otherwise f*ck you over (in a bad way). What are you going to do, go to the police? It's like quality control in recreational drugs. Hell, if you sex these women, they could potentially get knocked up by you and stick you for child-support.

2) The cleanliness of the women. When a woman will sleep with anyone who has money, not just dudes who are "Don Juan" enough to break her, it seems like you have a wider range of exposure to STDs. Sure you can just wear a condom, but I don't much relish the idea of performing or receiving oral with a condom.

3) Price. I make decent money, but last time I was quoted, the going rate for the type of prostitute who works the hallways between the casinos at 2AM in Vegas is $300/hour. Figure top-shelf being more like 5, but I can't see paying $300/weekend for sex. Some might be able to...a full weekend of clubbing including drinks, etc, can often amount to $100 or more, plus gas money to drive up there, money for clubbing clothes, etc...there are some nights where I can see just a 3-bill drop for some top-shelf 'tang. But then there are external costs with that as well, usually in the form of a hotel room. You don't want escorts knowing where you live.
1. I think you have more chance of being **** over by a strange woman you meet in a nightclub then you do an escort. One you have contact details for, the other is some stranger who you just "clicked" with. There is an element of risk no doubt but I think the majority are professional women who like sex and like the easy money.

2. I think that you have a greater chance of picking up an STD from some random woman you meet in a bar then you do a hooker. The amount of women that would allow me to bang them bareback when I just met them is alarming to the say the least. I always wrap up until I know the girl a little better (even then, you never know what her history is or who else she may be ****ing). Escorts and hookers though are going to use condoms more and the likelyhood of an STD is pretty minimal I would think. Im sure those that have been around would have noticed the same things. Unless you wrapping it up there are a lot of women that would let you hit it without a condom. If they are doing it with you, they are doing it with others

3. Not sure about costs in the USA, but I know is Australia they range from $150 hourly (Australian brothel rates) to $750 hourly (australian) for a real bombshell. A lot of semi pros have offered services in Russia and some of the eastern European countries I have been to, as was the case in Colombia. Their prices range from $100 to $500 for the night. Im talking hot women though. 8/10 and 9/10 on most peoples scales.
 
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