Any woman over the age of 25 needs to give you a good reason on why she is still single

[CornbreadFed]

No offense but I see far more women with their sh!t together at age 25 than I do men these days. Probably 2-3x as many if I am being honest.

Perhaps they should be the ones making the demands if it's coming from a "what are you bringing to the table" discussion.

Fair point, but women require much more from the average men that most are incapable of providing by age 25. In addition, women are willing to date men up to years older than them too. Meanwhile, the standards on women are based much more on their personal life choices & mental health and fertility.

 

[SW15]

the standards on women are based much more on their personal life choices & mental health and fertility.

This is an important point and a point that a lot of modern women tend to ignore.

Women's educational and career achievements mean almost nothing in terms of initially attracting men and retaining them.

Men are most interested in a woman's outward appearance and how pleasant her personality is.

There are too many women in the USA and other Westernized countries who are too focused on their degrees and their white collar jobs.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Also I can't blame Gen-Z men have you ever dealt with a Gen-Z woman? most of them are parrots for liberal gender identity politics slop and a lot of them don't look as good as women from previous generations. Plus ,the lack of femininity. Obviously I'm generalizing

this is why I question any poster older than 30 bragging about dating younger under 25 lol. Gen Z women are awful, lazy, and confidently stupid not naïve like their predecessors.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Fair point, but women require much more from the average men that most are incapable of providing by age 25. In addition, women are willing to date men up to years older than them too. Meanwhile, the standards on women are based much more on their personal life choices & mental health and fertility.

Not really. I don't think having a job, not living with your parents or having your own transportation should be that hard by age 25. It wasn't for me.

A woman's standard for a man has never been lower and somehow many are still falling short

 

[CornbreadFed]

Not really. I don't think having a job, not living with your parents or having your own transportation should be that hard by age 25. It wasn't for me.

A woman's standard for a man has never been lower and somehow many are still falling short

If you are in the hood or outskirt suburb/rural are then yes you are correct. However, if you live in the city then this is not enough. Not only do women have a head start in careers, but the competition is so much higher that just having a job won't cut it. Your boss babe city woman would rather gamble with/share high value men rather than settle down with a guy at or below her standards. Average men living in cities in between the age of leaving college and 35 face the most difficulty in dating because they do not have the fiscal or mental capacity to compete against higher smv and older guys with more money & experiences to throw at women.

Let's do a simple comparison: Let's say I am competing for a 24-year-old recent college grad woman in the city against a 24-year-old guy. 1). I more than likely make more money than him. 2). I have kept in decent shape and most Gen Z men look like dog shvt, so I know I look younger than him. 3). I am more mature and have more life experiences than him, so I can provide her more fun & structure than him. Remember, this is just me because he also has to compete with City Chads & Dantes and budding alpha career guys in medical/law school.

 

[CoolWave1331]

"Boss Babes" are boss babes becaus they know they do not make a good partner to any man. They are selfish and hard to ge along with. This is why prioritize career they know not suitable for relationship. Better to chase money or "career" instead (however long that lasts).

I gave example of my older sister, she was very focused on finishing medical school & become pediatrician but also planned to get married and start family. There's like 35 year old woman single & proud, say holding out because they "know their worth". This is lol the truth is they are difficult and make/made bad choices they have met several good men by that age. They have seen all their sensible friends already meet someone, start family and this what they say to make themselves feel better.

 

[SW15]

if you live in the city then this is not enough. Not only do women have a head start in careers, but the competition is so much higher that just having a job won't cut it. Your boss babe city woman would rather gamble with/share high value men rather than settle down with a guy at or below her standards. Average men living in cities in between the age of leaving college and 35 face the most difficulty in dating because they do not have the fiscal or mental capacity to compete against higher smv and older guys with more money & experiences to throw at women.

In a major city, women between 22-30 are often quite fussy and demand a lot, both from men in their own age range and older men.

Women's standards in the city are quite high.

Men 22-35 can be competitive on looks alone but the looks alone guys tend to have shorter term interactions. Most of the men in the looks alone do not mind having these shorter term interactions.

Looks & money is often a strong competitive place for men 22-35 seeking women 22-30. Younger men often don't have much money so sometimes the potential of future money can help.

Let's say I am competing for a 24-year-old recent college grad woman in the city against a 24-year-old guy. 1). I more than likely make more money than him. 2). I have kept in decent shape and most Gen Z men look like dog shvt, so I know I look younger than him. 3). I am more mature and have more life experiences than him, so I can provide her more fun & structure than him. Remember, this is just me because he also has to compete with City Chads & Dantes and budding alpha career guys in medical/law school.

You at 31 are competing on looks and money.

For a man in his 30s, he often needs the looks and money combination to date women under 25-27.

"Boss Babes" are boss babes becaus they know they do not make a good partner to any man. They are selfish and hard to get along with. This is why prioritize career they know not suitable for relationship. Better to chase money or "career" instead (however long that lasts).

I gave example of my older sister, she was very focused on finishing medical school & become pediatrician but also planned to get married and start family. There's like 35 year old woman single & proud, say holding out because they "know their worth". This is lol the truth is they are difficult and make/made bad choices they have met several good men by that age. They have seen all their sensible friends already meet someone, start family and this what they say to make themselves feel better.

Career oriented women (often called "Boss Babes") are generally going to struggle to find longer term relationships. There are enough men who can tolerate them long enough to have short term sex with them. Most of those men are upper tier on looks who would never commit to these women (who are usually mid to slightly cute on looks).

 

[BackInTheGame78]

If you are in the hood or outskirt suburb/rural are then yes you are correct. However, if you live in the city then this is not enough. Not only do women have a head start in careers, but the competition is so much higher that just having a job won't cut it. Your boss babe city woman would rather gamble with/share high value men rather than settle down with a guy at or below her standards. Average men living in cities in between the age of leaving college and 35 face the most difficulty in dating because they do not have the fiscal or mental capacity to compete against higher smv and older guys with more money & experiences to throw at women.

Let's do a simple comparison: Let's say I am competing for a 24-year-old recent college grad woman in the city against a 24-year-old guy. 1). I more than likely make more money than him. 2). I have kept in decent shape and most Gen Z men look like dog shvt, so I know I look younger than him. 3). I am more mature and have more life experiences than him, so I can provide her more fun & structure than him. Remember, this is just me because he also has to compete with City Chads & Dantes and budding alpha career guys in medical/law school.

If you are trying to attract a robot then sure, that might be the case.

Humans aren't robots and there are a lot of subjective things that you conveniently pretend don't matter like personality and how much of a vibe you have in person, how attracted she is, etc.

So if you are trying to attract a robot then this would be a valid way of looking at it...if you are trying to attract a human, not so much.

Part of the problem are guys that listen to this nonsense and think all they have to do is get a good job, make a lot of money and be in shape but they completely neglect the personality side of things and then wonder why it's still not enough.

Because a person is still a person.

 

[CornbreadFed]

In a major city, women between 22-30 are often quite fussy and demand a lot, both from men in their own age range and older men.

Women's standards in the city are quite high.

see below lol

Part of the problem are guys that listen to this nonsense and think all they have to do is get a good job, make a lot of money and be in shape but they completely neglect the personality side of things and then wonder why it's still not enough.

I completely agree with you there, but also you need the girl to be reasonable participant and mentally stable. You can have a great personality, great job, and in shape but most girls out there have a gambling addiction for men. The girls available seem to be ran through by the whole professional MLB & NFL roster and think they deserve a Travis Kelce or Travis Barker that she can use as a showoff fixer-up-project. This can drive any good men insane if he has to constantly beat his head against this wall.

 

[pipeman84]

Maybe stuff like being a great mother and wife, good at what she does, comes from a caring, helpful, and/or rich family, talent, a great homemaker, knows how to garden, cook, high IQ.

To continue, I’ll add that the most handsome men I know from my old whereabouts married ordinary or moderately-attractive women.

In reality, the great majority of women that we consider sex symbols based on social media or movies ARE moderately attractive. Right off the top of my mind I'll give you Sydney Sweeney.

 

[Smok1nAce]

Not really. I don't think having a job, not living with your parents or having your own transportation should be that hard by age 25. It wasn't for me.

A woman's standard for a man has never been lower and somehow many are still falling short

this is why I question any poster older than 30 bragging about dating younger under 25 lol. Gen Z women are awful, lazy, and confidently stupid not naïve like their predecessors.

I’m 34. Money is no issue, I have hair, looks and I’m 5’11. So just slightly tall.

The bar is definitely lower but I’d say thats more to do with the women. Because they don’t know any better and most of them are broke and aren’t going into debt traps like millennias.

I wouldn’t even say they’re 304s like millennial women. They just lack appeal besides being young women.

Maybe that’s cause life has gotten easier but they refuse to allow you to lead so you basically have a partner with a sever mental handicap.
You still see the boss babe girl here and there but you can tell it’s a cover for insecurity and mental issues. Cause no man alpha, beta or simp is taking anyone like that seriously. That shyts dead.

To put it into a big picture we are at the end of the social justice, DEI, lgbt, race, gender identity, etc wars. The good guys won. But the aftermath is finally coming together and this is the price we paid. Any intelligent man is going to have a tough time dating.

 

[Manure Spherian]

. Any intelligent man is going to have a tough time dating.

Women aren’t natures eugenic breeders. A significant chunk like psychopaths and stupid and deceptive and deviant men.

 

[BeExcellent]

To be fair, this kinda sorta makes perfect sense, in the case of the occasional Clay Aiken or Timmy Chalamet. Hell, J. Depp could've possibly saved a few bucks + A fair amount of heartache, had he(quite literally) cut right to the chase during HIS early adulthood

, rather than nibbling around at the edges the way he did


"But teens are starting to see it for what it is and reject it"

Is that what's going on, or is this a combination of the fad wearing off + Kids simply doing the opposite of what their elders endorse, as a means of individuation? Serious question, BE... All this talk in the press regarding a "conservative backlash" among the young sounds eerily reminiscent of a similar cultural shift that occurred during The Regan Years. A cultural shift that had sputtered out by time The early 90s were upon us

Yeah. I think two big cultural factors heavily influenced Generation X. I was born in 1969 so I am was 11 when Reagan was elected and 19 when he left office. While there were no Baby Boomers in my family (my parents were born in the 1930s), there was a cultural reversal against the whole Woodstock 'Make Love not War' & 'Sex, Drugs & Rock n Roll' of the Vietnam era.

But there was another major factor. HIV/AIDS burst onto the scene in the 1980s and suddenly irresponsible promiscuity might actually kill you in a terribly nasty, painful way.

I can remember the poster in my work place where I waited tables showing the exponential exposure risk from some who had sex with someone who had sex with someone and so on.

My sister's HS boyfriend had a father that decided to be gay after his divorce. AIDS killed him. So it was something that scared people straight. Mode of transmission was not well understood at that time, and there were no effective medications. So AIDS was literally a death sentence.

Then Magic Johnson got it (probably from exponential exposure through a hooker while playing in the NBA) and suddenly nobody was untouchable.

Johnson survived through research that led to emerging treatments, but these new therapies were prohibitively expensive for the average person. His money literally saved his life.

I think Gen Z is a more foundational phenomenon. Too many young people screwed up coming from broken homes thinking "there has to be a better way", coupled with women seeing that most young men cannot be relied on financially as in generations past so they better learn to provide for themselves.

 

[BadBoy89]

Give a never married guy 5 million dollars, a Bentley, a poppin blue-checked IG with 100k followers, and a mansion in the suburbs. He'll be sleeping with a NE Patriots cheerleader that night.

Bro you watch too many movies,

Don’t have an Instagram but have the rest. The hair is OK, not 6’1. I can‘t divorced women (no kids) in their late 30s to text me back. I’ve had to women in their mid 30s tell me off, tell me off, after blind coffee dates when I’ve paid for the coffee and done nothing offensive,

Rock on!

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Unless you are super chad in all areas (looks, money, charm, social skills, family, reputation) and make women jizz their jeans just by looking at them, blatantly asking a woman why she's still single is asking for trouble.

 

[BeExcellent]

Unless you are super chad in all areas (looks, money, charm, social skills, family, reputation) and make women jizz their jeans just by looking at them, blatantly asking a woman why she's still single is asking for trouble.

The problem with the socially uncalibrated is that they do NOT REALIZE they are socially uncalibrated.

Otherwise the statement you made above would be as obvious as the nose on your face.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Unless you are super chad in all areas (looks, money, charm, social skills, family, reputation) and make women jizz their jeans just by looking at them, blatantly asking a woman why she's still single is asking for trouble.

it’s pretty easy to figure out why without directly asking.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Refraining from asking certain questions is underrated: The answer she provides https://www.effedupmovies.com/siren-2016/ may be far more disquieting than remaining ignorant of the truth

 

[Smok1nAce]

Unless you are super chad in all areas (looks, money, charm, social skills, family, reputation) and make women jizz their jeans just by looking at them, blatantly asking a woman why she's still single is asking for trouble.

When your 16 your might believe this maybe a virgin in your early 20s but come on man touch grass.

 

[BaronOfHair]

While there were no Baby Boomers in my family (my parents were born in the 1930s), there was a cultural reversal against the whole Woodstock 'Make Love not War' & 'Sex, Drugs & Rock n Roll' of the Vietnam era.

Add to that, "internal critiques" of those trends were already being circulated, as far back as The 1960s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somebody_to_Love_(Jefferson_Airplane_song)

Quote: "San Francisco in the mid-1960s was the center of free love, but Darby Slick saw a downside to this ethos, as it could lead to jealousy and disconnect. The song champions loyalty and monogamy, as the singer implores the listener to find that one true love that will nurture them and get them through the tough times"