Any personal trainers in here?

[Quagmire911]

Most people aren't going to have a crash in energy and not be able to lift though.

And the dumbbell thing was more poking fun at those that think that is what gets results.

 

[Omen]

Most people aren't going to have a crash in energy and not be able to lift though.

And the dumbbell thing was more poking fun at those that think that is what gets results.

Well true, but I was stating that without those things happening in the body we wouldn't be lifting. I agree, learning how to lift can be simple.

What I am stating (stay with me here) is how to BETTER everything we do on a higher level. A more scientific level.

Whether its figuring out lactate threshold for a cyclists, whether its through supplementation, or maybe its knowing exactly when ATP is regenerated in the body. Maybe its the best temperature to keep the body at for the best performance. A quicker way to get electrolytes in the body for certain people besides IV. Quicker recovery, longer race times, more power, etc etc.

So my thing is that if you really are interested in this, and want to know all of this, study all of this, its not your Personal trainers that are doing this stuff. They are not the ones Gatorade Sports Science Institute hires, or the Olympic training center.

I'm not just looking at it in the terms of weightlifters and just the gym. I'm saying you can PT all you want, but you wont get to the next step up.

Take supplements for example. I'm testing a stack I created, to see how it helps with recovery, strength, and a few other things. I wont list what it is I created and what's in it, but so far I am happy with the way it is working. Already with the first week and a half, my recovery is much quicker, i'm not as sore, my strength has gone up, and that's just the beginning.

 

[Drum&Bass]

Majority of you are worse than old ladies..Do you ever shut up, This thread should have been done by the 4th response.

 

[Quagmire911]

Well true, but I was stating that without those things happening in the body we wouldn't be lifting. I agree, learning how to lift can be simple.

What I am stating (stay with me here) is how to BETTER everything we do on a higher level. A more scientific level.

Whether its figuring out lactate threshold for a cyclists, whether its through supplementation, or maybe its knowing exactly when ATP is regenerated in the body. Maybe its the best temperature to keep the body at for the best performance. A quicker way to get electrolytes in the body for certain people besides IV. Quicker recovery, longer race times, more power, etc etc.

So my thing is that if you really are interested in this, and want to know all of this, study all of this, its not your Personal trainers that are doing this stuff. They are not the ones Gatorade Sports Science Institute hires, or the Olympic training center.

I'm not just looking at it in the terms of weightlifters and just the gym. I'm saying you can PT all you want, but you wont get to the next step up.

Take supplements for example. I'm testing a stack I created, to see how it helps with recovery, strength, and a few other things. I wont list what it is I created and what's in it, but so far I am happy with the way it is working. Already with the first week and a half, my recovery is much quicker, i'm not as sore, my strength has gone up, and that's just the beginning.

Looking at it from that perspective then yes, you are correct.

 

[Road Demon]

Well true, but I was stating that without those things happening in the body we wouldn't be lifting. I agree, learning how to lift can be simple.

What I am stating (stay with me here) is how to BETTER everything we do on a higher level. A more scientific level.

Whether its figuring out lactate threshold for a cyclists, whether its through supplementation, or maybe its knowing exactly when ATP is regenerated in the body. Maybe its the best temperature to keep the body at for the best performance. A quicker way to get electrolytes in the body for certain people besides IV. Quicker recovery, longer race times, more power, etc etc.

So my thing is that if you really are interested in this, and want to know all of this, study all of this, its not your Personal trainers that are doing this stuff. They are not the ones Gatorade Sports Science Institute hires, or the Olympic training center.

I'm not just looking at it in the terms of weightlifters and just the gym. I'm saying you can PT all you want, but you wont get to the next step up.

Take supplements for example. I'm testing a stack I created, to see how it helps with recovery, strength, and a few other things. I wont list what it is I created and what's in it, but so far I am happy with the way it is working. Already with the first week and a half, my recovery is much quicker, i'm not as sore, my strength has gone up, and that's just the beginning.

Omen I agree with you 110%

So many people take a 2 week course and think they are a personal trainer or if they take a 2 day clinic on cycle coaching they call themselves an 'expert coach.' I laugh at these people; but feel bad that their clients will be very underserved and most likely will not get the results they are paying good money for.

It's garbage, because individuals who spend the time in school (4 year degree in exercise science), get the certifications by NSCA and/or ASCM, actually know and use pubmed or google scholar, and have the former college and/or elite level sports experience are often lumped into the same catergory of of some CPT who took 2 week class and passed some exam.

Everyone here can argue about experience and that it worked for me, whatever.

Omen you are very correct, that higher level of knowledge leads to an integration that is accomplished by education, allows us to provide better advice...

Like the other day I heard someone say at local cyclocross race "oh my legs were burning due to the lactate from going to hard." I wanted to correct him and say you moron, it due to the proton accumulation and subsequent pH drop that limits performance. Actually the lactate can be used a fuel source by both cardiac muscle and slowoxidative muscle fibers (of course some blood lactate is uptaked by the liver and regenerates to glucose via the Cori Cycle), and is exported out of the FG fibers by the monocarboxylate transporter. Some on this board will call what education provides as useless, but it are those ignorant individuals who really at a loss.

Cheers,
RD

 

[mrRuckus]

Like the other day I heard someone say at local cyclocross race "oh my legs were burning due to the lactate from going to hard." I wanted to correct him and say you moron, it due to the proton accumulation and subsequent pH drop that limits performance. Actually the lactate can be used a fuel source by both cardiac muscle and slowoxidative muscle fibers (of course some blood lactate is uptaked by the liver and regenerates to glucose via the Cori Cycle), and is exported out of the FG fibers by the monocarboxylate transporter. Some on this board will call what education provides as useless, but it are those ignorant individuals who really at a loss.

I like peanut butter and jelly.

 

[wolf116]

weightlifting is not a complicated subject although some would like to make it so.

the 'stereotypical' huge bber type guy is a stupid meathead.. there's a reason for that.

I think people underestimate the intelligence of the meathead/jock type. They have the same brain as everyone else.

The jock does not waist time learning maths and computer programing because that is fvcking boring and requires too much sitting. It's bad for your health. Why would he waste his life.

These so called intelligent top of the class nerds are the same ones that can't figure out how to speak to a girl and are always depressed. They are the ones who think meat is bad for you and squats are bad for your spine.

While the jock knows the secret of women, eats his meat and knows sitting at a computer is bad for your spine.

 

[Road Demon]

I think people underestimate the intelligence of the meathead/jock type. They have the same brain as everyone else.

The jock does not waist time learning maths and computer programing because that is fvcking boring and requires too much sitting. It's bad for your health. Why would he waste his life.

These so called intelligent top of the class nerds are the same ones that can't figure out how to speak to a girl and are always depressed. They are the ones who think meat is bad for you and squats are bad for your spine.

While the jock knows the secret of women, eats his meat and knows sitting at a computer is bad for your spine.

What exactly is a Jock outside the context of High School?

RD

 

[spesmilitis]

What exactly is a Jock outside the context of High School?

RD

I think you're missing the point, wolf provided an over simplified example for the sake of simplicity. You shouldn't look down on anyone just because they don't have a high scientific knowledge. I'm not sure if that's what you do, but you certainly implied it:

Like the other day I heard someone say at local cyclocross race "oh my legs were burning due to the lactate from going to hard." I wanted to correct him and say you moron, it due to the proton accumulation and subsequent pH drop that limits performance.

 

[Road Demon]

I think you're missing the point, wolf provided an over simplified example for the sake of simplicity. You shouldn't look down on anyone just because they don't have a high scientific knowledge. I'm not sure if that's what you do, but you certainly implied it:

My point of the lactate example 'with moron' was to illustrate the oversimplification of a complex process that has been propagated but so called "take a 2 week class and pass an exam personal trainers." That was my point...there is so much misinformation out there. Wrong information is worse than no information.

I have met some really airheaded 'educated' people, that outside their field of expertise they are just 'lost.' Education is worthless without intergration and subsequent translation. Additionally, I have seen some really talented endurance athletes become 'coaches' and their clients have little or no success while paying $$$. I believe it comes down to a combination of experience and education (either formal or self taught). I evaluate each person on an individual basis.

In fact, individual posters experience/opinion on this forum regardless of educational background often provides another perspective that is food for critical thought.

My point with the high school comment was that he was labeling 'jock/meatheads' vs 'nerd' was an oversimplification to the point of being incorrect.

 

[Warboss Alex]

I think people underestimate the intelligence of the meathead/jock type. They have the same brain as everyone else.

The jock does not waist time learning maths and computer programing because that is fvcking boring and requires too much sitting. It's bad for your health. Why would he waste his life.

These so called intelligent top of the class nerds are the same ones that can't figure out how to speak to a girl and are always depressed. They are the ones who think meat is bad for you and squats are bad for your spine.

While the jock knows the secret of women, eats his meat and knows sitting at a computer is bad for your spine.

my point was that the less someone knows about lifting, the more they will gain.

it's all very well knowing how Kreb's cycle, ATP restoration, lactate thresholds etc all work but I don't know that many brainiacs who can squat 405 for 20.

 

[wolf116]

my point was that the less someone knows about lifting, the more they will gain.

it's all very well knowing how Kreb's cycle, ATP restoration, lactate thresholds etc all work but I don't know that many brainiacs who can squat 405 for 20.

IMO this only holds true for the high testosterone male(meat head/jock) type. But the nerd has a different brain, he needs to study the things that come naturally to the jock(women, muscle) to be successful.

 

[Warboss Alex]

IMO this only holds true for the high testosterone male(meat head/jock) type. But the nerd has a different brain, he needs to study the things that come naturally to the jock(women, muscle) to be successful.

you're missing the point and overthinking - put down the keyboard and go and eat something!

 

[wolf116]

fair enough

 

[spesmilitis]

a destination has many paths, and many shortcuts