"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Any investment bankers out there?

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Going into my senior year of college and shooting for corporate finance. Is there any one out there who wouldn't mind answering some questions?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Depends on what you want to do. Corporate finance is too broad of an area. What aspects of finance do you like? Few more specifics would be helpful.

There are three key things about career advancement

1. Degrees/Certifications
2. Who you know - Contacts
3. Resume

#2 is ultimately the most important because even without #1 or #3 you can still get good work, but in order to maximize number #2 you usually need #1 and #3
 

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I work with bankers, lawyers, corporate finance, PE guys, etc. Anything involving M&A basically.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I am not one but my cousin is an investment banker in Saudi Arabia. He went there to make the money. He makes 500 grand a year. Here in the States he would make a fraction of that. He lives in a compound.

My advice? Go work in Saudi Arabia.
 

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Any american companies that hire or full commission to work with American Companies in SA ?

Any pointers
Thanks

Malice said:
I am not one but my cousin is an investment banker in Saudi Arabia. He went there to make the money. He makes 500 grand a year. Here in the States he would make a fraction of that. He lives in a compound.

My advice? Go work in Saudi Arabia.
 

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carrot said:
Any american companies that hire or full commission to work with American Companies in SA ?

Any pointers
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I can't remember the name of the institution he works for. But he can speak fluent Arabic and several other languages so I'm sure that helps. He came to visit a few months ago and he told me about it. He is making serious bank. I don't talk to him except for that one visit.
 

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I'm interested in M&A. I'm wondering if any of you guys might have any pointers for a non-target college senior. I interned at a boutique M&A shop for a year. I want to get into a bulge bracket if possible though. I'm also a finance major and accounting minor. Any pointers?

I'm not sure what the best route to making connections is.

Oh, and I also interned for Deloitte in their audit practice this summer (hated it-hate accounting).
 

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Wanted to add to the above excellent post to include PE, VC, hedge funds, mutual funds, pension funds, turnaround, accounting, law and commercial real estate firms in your self-promotion, networking and job search efforts. Anyone you know or get to know in those areas can be tapped for connections if not actual jobs themselves.

If I had it to do over again, would try to get an entry level job in a deal oriented accounting firm, paralegal for a law firm deal department (corporate, rl estate or insolvency doesn't matter), or corporate law department in a company that does lots of M&A out of college, rather than a position with an Ibank. Then go back to business school in a couple years, then hit up the banks. The experience in a deal infrastructure firm in law, accounting, etc., would be better than entry level in a bank IMO. If you could enter business school being able to close a deal and understanding all the logistics and stages of it, that would be a huge advantage. Also use those interim years to either learn or polish a language skill in serious ways. Good luck.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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