"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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any advice for real relations?

75%PUA

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sup guys, long time reader of the forums. Ive got a question for real relationships, everything seems to be short term for me. I love the game but I think i might be lacking something. So heres my situation, my primary pickup place are the clubs and i do pretty well, great social value and a good amount of numbers. However wen i go on the dates, there always no chemistry and i try kino but its just not the same as in a club, I dunno wat it is. THe chicks not into it and then im not into it.

Im 21 now and basically all ive ever had were flings and nothing real. Most of the times the girls see me as a fun guy, friend or just a **** buddy, but not bf material. The only form of advice ive gotten from frends were that im too ****y, but i think thats not the problem, neither are looks and dressing sense. Most of my friends all have gotten into some kind of real realtionship and im beginning to think that somethings wrong wit me. So what do you guys think im lacking in terms of havin a girl seeing as a long termish material? I still consider myself pretty much an afc so any advice i can get would be coool. thnx:up:

p.s. I mostly pickup outside a club/bar bcuz anywere else its much harder and the # of girls u get are fewer, plus every wud knw u specially if ur doin it at skool or work.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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ready123

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what goal are you focusing on when you go out on dates? IE qualifying her, sex, connection.... ?

what is a typical one of your dates like?

what do you guys talk about?
 

Ixnys

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I think it will happen and when it does it will seem natural, effortless, and just right. I think that's how it should be. Ya can't force it just go with the flow and when you meet the right person it will all work itself out.
 

75%PUA

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ready123 im usually trying to make a connection i.e. prober her hit a soft spot and make a rapport, but it all ends up being like a general convo, like talk abt politics and boring ****. escalation gets very hard, most dates i do are basic dinner das abt it. i guess my main concern is why i cant maintain my club game to real life, and thats wat makes me an afc. What do you guys generally do to get real interest from her.

ps i thot this thread was abt helpin each other so wats wit the insult itsonnow
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Fuglydude

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Sounds like you have it pretty good bro... I was in a similar situation once. Only thing was I wasn't looking to get hooked up, but it ended up happening. Are you actually looking for a relationship?

If you're serious about getting a gf get to know a girl as a friend for 4-6 months before actually deciding on being with her exclusively. The opportunity cost is too great to commit to a girl who doesn't stack up...because you could be using that time to phuck lotsa other babes.

I'll always suggest being friends with a chic first prior to actually getting into a serious LTR with her.

Also, maybe look to other sources for meeting women? I've heard dance/yoga classes, and recreational sports/clubs etc are great for things like that.
 

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I have this exact same problem. I wonder the same thing about myself because of it. I have had some semi-serious things in the past but I'm a little older so give it time. Not really got the answer as to why its like that - I've been told the 'too ****y' thing and I'm starting to believe it and tone down my game accordingly. I also have a sneaking and unpleasantI might be sabotaging myself subconsciously for some deep-rooted fear of intimacy or commitment, but maybe that's just me...

Remember as well in a lot of cases that an 'average' girl isn't always prepared to be with someone who has a really cool life becase they don't see whre they would fit into it, so many try and connect a little more on what she's interested in.
 
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