"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I'm going to stop giving advice, because the minute i think my game is up to par, i'm left standing in the streets dumbfounded.

I met a really hot girl at a local club. She approached me and we hit it off pretty good. We had things in common--we both modeled in the past and we both have advanced degrees. I kept the conversation short and sweet and i ended with a number close.

I was really busy, so i didn't call her for dam near a week. When i finally called her, her first words to me were "Tristan, i'm so glad you called, i didn't think you were going to call." Anyways, i broke the golden rule-- i talked to her on the phone for almost an hour. The conversation flowed nicely and there was no awkward silence, so that's why i talked to her for so long.

Due to conflicting schedules and her being on vacation, we havn't went out.

I called her yesterday to set up a date for when she returns from vacation. While talking, the phone connection broke up and her cell phone dropped the call. I didn't call her back and she never called me back.

I am a little ticked off, because i was hoping to get a chance to know this girl, but it's apparent she no longer has interest in me. If the interest was still there, she would have called me back...right?

In conclusion, the rules written in the bible are written for a reason. Read them carefully and apply them to your everyday lives. I had a girl swinging from my n_ts and then i broke a valuable rule, and now i'm left standing in the dust!

FOLLOW THE RULES!
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Originally posted by tristan22
While talking, the phone connection broke up and her cell phone dropped the call. I didn't call her back and she never called me back.

I am a little ticked off, because i was hoping to get a chance to know this girl, but it's apparent she no longer has interest in me. If the interest was still there, she would have called me back...right?
Bro, she is probably thinking the same thing you are.

You said yourself that she was happy you called.
Some girls dont want to seem desperate, thus creating a power struggle.

Your call on calling her back. I would this time.

When I talk to them I like to finish with the ball in her court. You didnt get that chance and neither did she.
 

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From my personal experience, girls love it if you call back on a dropped call. My gf's (and hell even female friends who have other female friends they can hook you up with) always say "Aw, you called me back! I thought you wouldn't care". Also, I never had any problems talking for an hr on the phone with women. Usually, because if we get all the talking out on the phone, thats more "action" (not sex action... just action as in DOING things) we get to do in person.
 

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No the call broke up on the second phone call to her. THe first phone call happened a week ago!
 

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Originally posted by tristan22
No the call broke up on the second phone call to her. THe first phone call happened a week ago!
IMO, that doesnt change anything. I feel that there is a power struggle going on right now.

I would call her back, but not be all AFC about it.

Funny/****y comments about how you know she was waiting by the phone would be good. :woo:
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I would call her back still... like tonight... something like "Hey didn't get to finish making our date plans..." So she knows YOU are still interested.
 

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In conclusion, the rules written in the bible are written for a reason. Read them carefully and apply them to your everyday lives. I had a girl swinging from my n_ts and then i broke a valuable rule, and now i'm left standing in the dust!


dont do this

your 1 hour talk...helped not hurt.
 

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Originally posted by tristan22
No the call broke up on the second phone call to her. THe first phone call happened a week ago!
And the first phone call went great right?!?!? then she was busy with work and vacation... so let me ask you if YOU called the second time and it hung up, then why didn't you call back. see the thing is that females tend to think this way "he calls, signal fades, communication is crapy, phone hangs up accidentaly whatever is is HE called and HE should call back...yes, indeed we are stubborn :mad:
 

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I called back, it rolled over to voice mail; and i didn't leave a message. Then i didn't call back......i didn't add this in my story...sorry!
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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leave a message:

tell her youve been busy..just wanted to say hey whats up...be funny and cute...and tell her not to think of u to many times.
 

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Originally posted by tristan22
I called back, it rolled over to voice mail; and i didn't leave a message. Then i didn't call back......i didn't add this in my story...sorry!
Ok..Gosh this is what I tell every guy:

let's say that at the moment when you called she did not have signal, so of course what you'll get is her voicemail...BUT did you realize that if you do not leave a message she'll NEVER know you you called because since she did not have signal then your call actually did not go through and will not show as a missed call! :nono:
 

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Originally posted by tobiashunter
Yeah, even if it is "Hey it's Tristan." That will mean ALOT to her.
Exactly. Stop the little kid stuff. Sometimes guys think far too hard when trying to "game" a chick

My general rule is:

If you feel you WANT to call her then call her.
If you feel you HAVE to then don't.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Oh man. I think you're taking this whole DJ stuff way too seriously. I mean the only stuff this whole DJ thing should teach you is that women like self-confident, not wussy, crappy men and so on. You get my point? If you called her every day and she never called you and you never went on a date..thats something you should avoid. But **** it if the phone call broke up, just call her back but cut this whole conversation stuff and ask her out. If she's still interested you'll get to date her, if she isn't you won't..but where's the big deal..u dont even know her like that. Even if she lost interest in you because you broke some "DJ rule" (though talking to women on the phone for (an) hour(s) probably is a bad idea...because it takes way from the excitement I guess..AND because it gives u a major headache :D ) it doesn' matter because you probably won't see her again. One thing this whole Don Juan stuff here should teach you also is that it doesn't matter (too much) what other people/women think, because you can still just next them and try one of the other 3billion women on this planet..
 

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You should've called back or at least left a message. "Hey, it's Tristan, you probably fell asleep waiting a callback from me, so call me when you get a chance to finalize or plans..."
 

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One thing this whole Don Juan stuff here should teach you also is that it doesn't matter (too much) what other people/women think, because you can still just next them and try one of the other 3billion women on this planet.. [/B]


YES! YES! YES! Sooo right!!! I don't like when guys let one stupid btch put them down...there are millions of us out there guys! just say NEXT!
 

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YES! YES! YES! Sooo right!!! I don't like when guys let one stupid btch put them down...there are millions of us out there guys! just say NEXT!
Good to know, that there are millions of you stupid *****es out there?:D
 

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Good to know, that there are millions of you stupid *****es out there?:D
:crackup: :crackup:
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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