Amante and Guru

[Ranger]

The possibility of love and being in love is important to her. Shouldn’t just up and take it away. Not if you at least want her.

 

[Mike32ct]

Oh, I understand the behavior, and the reasons for it. I'm just saying there are unintended consequences, like creating these "alpha widows" people talk about. It causes trouble for men with lower SMV, although I don't imagine the top guys are concerned any about "lesser men".

If you just look at this forum, most guys who come here are probably "beta" when they arrive, and as soon as they learn a thing or two, they are holding all average men in utter contempt and disdain. They blame the AFC for all problems with women's entitlement, but it's really the actions of all men that contribute, not just the AFCs. Some have said the reason guys hate the betas so much once they get a little red pill education is because they despise their former actions, which makes a lot of sense.

The other interesting angle that I may have discussed on here years ago is that betas are enablers of the alphas.

The reason that a chick can remain a “plate” to the alpha for an extended period of time (despite her frustration with his lack of commitment/attention) is that she has nice guy friendzone betas on the side.

She isn’t F-ing the betas, but they do provide the attention and shoulder to cry on (ie emotional support) that her alpha F-boy won’t give her.

So she’s able to tolerate the alpha longer. Without this beta support, her flings with the alphas would be much shorter lived.

TDLR: When you are in the friendzone with a girl, you are helping some tall tattooed guy to continue F-ing her for longer. He should thank you, but he probably won’t lol.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The other interesting angle that I may have discussed on here years ago is that betas are enablers of the alphas.

The reason that a chick can remain a “plate” to the alpha for an extended period of time (despite her frustration with his lack of commitment/attention) is that she has nice guy friendzone betas on the side.

She isn’t F-ing the betas, but they do provide the attention and shoulder to cry on (ie emotional support) that her alpha F-boy won’t give her.

So she’s able to tolerate the alpha longer. Without this beta support, her flings with the alphas would be much shorter lived.

TDLR: When you are in the friendzone with a girl, you are helping some tall tattooed guy to continue F-ing her for longer. He should thank you, but he probably won’t lol.

Some of them know your helping and dont care. They wasnt going to help her anyway.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Some of them know your helping and dont care. They wasnt going to help her anyway.

In todays game sometimes helper gets occasional head or a low desire sex session. She gets all boyfriend help from the helper while she feeds the Alpha her extra effort sex and desire.

 

[Mike32ct]

In todays game sometimes helper gets occasional head or a low desire sex session. She gets all boyfriend help from the helper while she feeds the Alpha her extra effort sex and desire.

Yeah. The “helper” represents the other missing “half” of the boyfriend that she wants.

Or the helper could just be a cuddle guy or makeout guy, nothing more.

 

[zekko]

I'd like to think of it as balance. Whereas I might humble most women; other guys pump up their ego.

Balance is good. And for what it's worth, I don't think you're leading the girls on. She has to convince you that she is worth exclusivity, she can't just assume it going in.

If you're guilty of anything, it's that you seem to game them pretty hard. And that "you might be trouble" line is horrible. I mean it's a good line, it's just that it's probably been in every PUA book I've ever read. It's probably on the first page of Mystery's Guide to the Venusian Arts, or whatever it's called. I just couldn't use it because it's so cliched, but if it works for you, great. Another line that I think is good is "I'll be your boyfriend for the next five minutes", but again it's over cliched. Both those lines are playful, that's what's good about them.

Actually the only reason he's back is because he was banned from the bodybuilding forum.

That's not cool. SoSuave does not play second fiddle to the bodybuilding forum!

The other interesting angle that I may have discussed on here years ago is that betas are enablers of the alphas.

I never read that before. Sounds like a good theory! Makes a lot of sense, I like it.

 

[guru1000]

If you're guilty of anything, it's that you seem to game them pretty hard. And that "you might be trouble" line is horrible. I mean it's a good line, it's just that it's probably been in every PUA book I've ever read

Zekko, I’m insulted that you could even think I open women at all or if I did, to use more than a handful of letters to initiate.

I explained my reasoning why and how It would have been extremely Effective for Dave in Posts 226 and 232.

On the subject and not directed at you: What amuses me most is how some with little skin in the game are quick to sleight a “line” that has factual data supporting its efficiency to prompt responses from women who would otherwise be unavailable to Dave.

Show me a man with extensive OLD experience and heed his words, but don’t date 5s and 6s in OLD game for a year and flex one’s muscles. To these men, I say, “have a seat” alongside Dave.

 

[logicallefty]

@longtail Check your PMs please.

 

[17 shots]

I messaged a decent looking black girl today who was in decent shape

literally the bottom of our social hierarchy- black women. Still no response

don't play the race card dave. Didn't Armenians cost Germany the war. From what I've heard you guys are punks on the battlefield, maybe women know that, and that's why they don't respond

 

[guru1000]

good line, it's just that it's probably been in every PUA book I've ever read

To expound on this for those whom many benefit from this discussion: I’m not a Pick-Up Artist (PUA), rather I’m a Picked-Up Artist (PDUA). I focus and try to develop relations where the girls actively pursue me.

That’s why I have always preached self-improvement. Why? Because when a man has and demonstrates enough value, women will gravitate toward him.

Take for example, Rolls Royce. How often do they advertise? Not very much. But Ford (btw love the stock at a 6% dividend, strong buy) needs to advertise everyday. That’s because the being of a Rolls Royce is the advertisement. Whom between the two would you strive to be as an individual?

In OLD, the concept works identically. Your pictures and profile present the value to bait them. Then and only then can one must demonstrate value through discussion. But the focus is on the product, as without value in the product, there are no prospects to bless with your attention.

However, understanding similarities and differences in every thinking model demonstrates deeper understanding. Here, even if Dave polishes the product via updated pics, he still lacks the value to take the prospect to the date. He needs to focus on more at-bats to hone this social deficiency.

 

[Ranger]

To expound on this for those whom many benefit from this discussion: I’m not a Pick-Up Artist (PUA), rather I’m a Picked-Up Artist (PDUA). I focus and try to develop relations where the girls actively pursue me.

That’s why I have always preached self-improvement. Why? Because when a man has and demonstrates enough value, women will gravitate toward him.

Take for example, Rolls Royce. How often do they advertise? Not very much. But Ford (btw love the stock at a 6% dividend, strong buy) needs to advertise everyday. That’s because the being of a Rolls Royce is the advertisement. Whom between the two would you strive to be as an individual?

In OLD, the concept works identically. Your pictures and profile present the value to bait them. Then and only then can one must demonstrate value through discussion. But the focus is on the product, as without value in the product, there are no prospects to bless with your attention.

However, understanding similarities and differences in every thinking model demonstrates deeper understanding. Here, even if Dave polishes the product via updated pics, he still lacks the value to take the prospect to the date. He needs to focus on more at-bats to hone this social deficiency.

So I’m gathering, pictures aside, the value is demonstrated by the bio narrative?
In person it’s a non issue. I do subscribe that women need to be the pursuer and buyer. There is no doubt in my mind about that.
So what does a good bio communicate?
I’m pretty sure there’s some word smithing going on.

 

[guru1000]

So I’m gathering, pictures aside, the value is demonstrated by the bio narrative?
In person it’s a non issue. I do subscribe that women need to be the pursuer and buyer. There is no doubt in my mind about that.
So what does a good bio communicate?

I'd say the bio should buttress your photos' lack. For example, my pics show a strong degree of arrogance and entitlement, which can be a turn off to many girls. So my bio balances that with a narrative of humility that I'm just an ordinary guy, which does not contradict the pics, rather enlarges the "full picture." Very much like here, where I can appear arrogant, but at time, show a degree of humility.

The answer to your question relates to the image you are presenting.

One thing I can tell you in not to forge a written narrative which paints you as grandiose while at the same time showing pics like Dave's--of a lower echelon status. Incongruence destroys rapport.

 

[Ranger]

I'd say the bio should buttress your photos' lack. For example, my pics show a strong degree of arrogance and entitlement, which can be a turn off to many girls. So my bio balances that with a narrative of humility that I'm just an ordinary guy, which does not contradict the pics, rather enlarges the "full picture." Very much like here, where I can appear arrogant, but at time, show a degree of humility.

The answer to your question relates to the image you are presenting.

One thing I can tell you in not to forge a written narrative which paints you as grandiose while at the same time showing pics like Dave's--of a lower echelon status. Incongruence destroys rapport.

This thread and Dave’s position led to good things. If one wanted to get something from it. I don’t see anything that isn’t transferable to regular interactions. It’s just more exposure.
We don’t really see ourselves or how we come across but you can see it in your pictures. It’s rather astute to contrast it in your bio.
Send me an old one please. I want to study the structure. I write fiction when I’m not engineering and this interests me.
It’s like how a woman threw down the gauntlet at me once because she felt men couldn’t write erotica. I couldn’t get rid of her after she read a piece I wrote. I couldn’t let it pass. Little did I know the residual effects it would cause.

 

[guru1000]

@Ranger will PM shortly.