"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Am I The Shortest?
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
frivolousz21
Master Don Juan
repsect does not come from height..why is it that I have to come in here and bash the **** out of the guys here.
listen up:
last ngiht I went up to my gym at 7...I am 5 7 mind you..actually im 5 6..5 8 with sandles..
anyways I got the desk girls number...I could hit it in a week If I wanted. im talking to multiple women ive met this week...sunday I was single..so i started going out again and meeting people...
wed night I got 2 numbers at a bar called Jerseys...got 2 last night..and there was 1 girl I knew before the girl I was just with that im talking too..when i say talking too I mean can Hit if I want to.
what all of your problems are is CONFIDENCE..ITS 99 PERCENT OF IT ALL..ASK ANYONE....WHEN DO YOU DO UR BEST AT ANYTHING? WHEN UR NOT AFRAID TO FAIL...WHEN IS THIS..WHEN UR CONFIDENT!
im not here to brag but to dispell this height situation which is garbage...I knwo this lady thats nearly 6 foot I asked about it..she told me.
THAT WOMEN SAY THEY HAVE TO BE WITH A TALL, DARK, HANDSOME MAN...WHAT THEY REALLY WANT? MASCULINITY!
AND IF YOU THINK THAT UR UGLY OR THIS AND THAT..HERE IS MY PIC...IM NOT UGLY NOR ALL THAT..BUT I GET THE JOB DONE:
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/ind...00424&imageID=78101593&Mytoken=20050507101025
listen up:
last ngiht I went up to my gym at 7...I am 5 7 mind you..actually im 5 6..5 8 with sandles..
anyways I got the desk girls number...I could hit it in a week If I wanted. im talking to multiple women ive met this week...sunday I was single..so i started going out again and meeting people...wed night I got 2 numbers at a bar called Jerseys...got 2 last night..and there was 1 girl I knew before the girl I was just with that im talking too..when i say talking too I mean can Hit if I want to.
what all of your problems are is CONFIDENCE..ITS 99 PERCENT OF IT ALL..ASK ANYONE....WHEN DO YOU DO UR BEST AT ANYTHING? WHEN UR NOT AFRAID TO FAIL...WHEN IS THIS..WHEN UR CONFIDENT!
im not here to brag but to dispell this height situation which is garbage...I knwo this lady thats nearly 6 foot I asked about it..she told me.
THAT WOMEN SAY THEY HAVE TO BE WITH A TALL, DARK, HANDSOME MAN...WHAT THEY REALLY WANT? MASCULINITY!
AND IF YOU THINK THAT UR UGLY OR THIS AND THAT..HERE IS MY PIC...IM NOT UGLY NOR ALL THAT..BUT I GET THE JOB DONE:
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/ind...00424&imageID=78101593&Mytoken=20050507101025
naoi deag se deag
Senior Don Juan
Hehehe, my girl was wearing heels last night and she could look at the top of my head. I'm 6'1" and she's 5'11". She freaked out. It was the first time I had come across a girl who could look at the top of my head and it was a little unsettling. So now I know a tiny amount of your pain.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
hmm.. im 5'7 (without shoes) but i've got good a good face... dude.. the other night i met a 5'3 guy with below average looks and he had a super hot girlfriend... so, yeah it is possible for you to get good chicks if you have a great 'dj' personality
The College Guy
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Well...girls aren't the only reason....Everyday life...we get disrespected in most areas..Ie. when i want to complain about a store policy, those dudes just laugh at me...but if it was a 6-2 guy...i know for sure it will be diffrent...It's like, would you care if some lil kid said something to you? It's the same way with us..at least with me...So although girls are hard to get....everyday life is even harder...from jobs...to everything....
?!?! i'd rather be 6'8 than less than 6'0, let alone 5'0...
my ideal height chart is:
1st. 6'2
2nd. 6'3
3rd. 6'1
4th. 6'4
5th. 6'5
6th. 6'0
7th. 6'6
8th. 6'7
9th. 6'8
10th. 5'11
unless you're skinny, being over 6'3 is always an advantage over people below 6'0...
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
Blackdragon5095
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Peace Man, I couldn't have said that ever better myself.Originally posted by frivolousz21
repsect does not come from height..why is it that I have to come in here and bash the **** out of the guys here.
listen up:
last ngiht I went up to my gym at 7...I am 5 7 mind you..actually im 5 6..5 8 with sandles..
wed night I got 2 numbers at a bar called Jerseys...got 2 last night..and there was 1 girl I knew before the girl I was just with that im talking too..when i say talking too I mean can Hit if I want to.
what all of your problems are is CONFIDENCE..ITS 99 PERCENT OF IT ALL..ASK ANYONE....WHEN DO YOU DO UR BEST AT ANYTHING? WHEN UR NOT AFRAID TO FAIL...WHEN IS THIS..WHEN UR CONFIDENT!
im not here to brag but to dispell this height situation which is garbage...I knwo this lady thats nearly 6 foot I asked about it..she told me.
THAT WOMEN SAY THEY HAVE TO BE WITH A TALL, DARK, HANDSOME MAN...WHAT THEY REALLY WANT? MASCULINITY!
AND IF YOU THINK THAT UR UGLY OR THIS AND THAT..HERE IS MY PIC...IM NOT UGLY NOR ALL THAT..BUT I GET THE JOB DONE:
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/ind...00424&imageID=78101593&Mytoken=20050507101025
I used to worry about my height. (I'm 5'4)
But it's not height that attact women, it's fighting yourself and having the ( I'm the best man you will ever meet and are you worth my time ?? ) attudie and thinking. When it comes to women stop letting fear get to you. Even if your a short person people will assume your weak and thats when they fail the art of war and the prince.
A old saying " never judge a book by it's cover " Read this again
If a girl dose reject you on your height then it's her basically saying this:
"I'm not good enough for you , I'm not sure what I want and I rather have some AFC then a real Man,Dj,PUA or {whatever you wanna call yourself}"
First assumeing because your 5'2 that your weak is a good way to get their ass beat. You could have a gun, knife or be as good as bruce lee or Mohammed Ali.
I used to hear something like this " short men can't get women because of their height, women like taller guys'
It's a bunch of bullcrap. Read Think and grow rich and learn bruce lee and Mohammed Ali quotes you will prove those idoits wrong. People here in the fourm will show you how they are wrong, even show them that THE ONLY LIMITATION IS THE ONE YOU MAKE.
Read and learn
"It's lack of faith that makes people afraid of meeting challenges,
and I believed in myself."-Muhammad Ali
Knowing is not enough; you must apply. Willing is not enough; you must do. [Bruce Lee]
"Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stronger"
I'm 6' 4", 170 lbs. (I have no idea what those are in cms and kgs)
A lot of people make fun of me about that. It all basically depends on your build.
Sometimes it gets annoying when people ask me if I play basketball. I do play some, but I'm not that good. At a camp I was at we were playing ultimate frisbee with some random people and they didn't know my name, so they just referred to me as "tall guy."
Juat work your DJ magic and height shouldn't matter all that much.
A lot of people make fun of me about that. It all basically depends on your build.
Sometimes it gets annoying when people ask me if I play basketball. I do play some, but I'm not that good. At a camp I was at we were playing ultimate frisbee with some random people and they didn't know my name, so they just referred to me as "tall guy."
Juat work your DJ magic and height shouldn't matter all that much.
anonymousguy
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Let me give you my analysis
Facts:
I am 160 centimeters tall (or 5 foot 4). I live in the Netherlands where people are among the tallest in the world.
I think I am a reliable source in providing information.
Theory:
Height does matter. It's baked into society. A man should be taller than the woman or at least as tall as the woman. What ever you do: you can't fight society alone, but you can learn how to influence and change the thoughts of people. You can make them think that being with someone smaller is not as bad as it seems.
You are only smaller, IF the person really sees that you are SMALLER. Perception is everything!
Clarification by examples:
I know a girl that was interested in me, because I am smaller than her. The only thing was: she was only a few (I think 1 or 2) inches bigger than me! I thought I could not get her.
Boy, was I wrong: she was giving me IOI's, she thought I was funny. You get the point. The difference of height was so small that nobody really notices it, unless someone says it of course. But she couldn't care at all at the "attraction stage".
So as long as the persons doesn't see you as someone who is smaller than you, you shouldn't fvcking care.
I know it happens: small boys that have bigger, beautifull girls. Of course this doesn't happen a lot, but it DOES happen. So don't give up the game yet! You haven't lost at all.
Height used an excuse
Yes, there are girls who don't like you if they see that you are smaller than the woman. The have their b*tch shield up with a force that is twice as normal. You can't do a lot on the short term to change her thoughts, but you can do it on the long term. I know it takes a lot more time than usual, but the advantage is that you will know she likes you as a person. Because if she is attracted to you, your looks won't matter. She likes you for who you are!
Height used as a double-edged sword
This section will get personal...
I use the style of being cute. I know a lot of Don Juans here think that being cute is a bad thing. But let me prove you wrong!
You could say I am the prince of cuteness on the University Campus!
Every day a girl will smile at me, and thinking I am cute. (And I am not kidding, walk with me, and you'll see it) Now you think: this is a bad thing, I don't wanna be cute. NO! It is a good thing: you don't need an opener now! Because if they smile you can say something like: "Hey! How are you?". And the hunt is open! In fact: I don't have to do something in order to approach a million girls. Girls approach ME!
Of course, I have specialised in being cute and I know how to handle it. The girls that like me are not the so called "b*tches", but are the sweet, friendly woman.
In conclusion: it is true I meet a lot of women on my University Campus, and I have already collected 4 numbers in two months. I know it's only a phone number, but I want to see the AFC guy do the same thing!
Height used as a celibrity trait
Yes: you are small, and you will be noticed by everyone. Just like the biggest person in the world!
Everybody will see that you are small. This can be used for the good. You all know that catching attention is a hard thing, but being a small person makes this twice as easy. Just use your height to approach every girl you want. Use your personality to attract the girl.
In my case, girls think I am cute. Being cute is the "attention anchor". It's just like being handsome or being a celebrity. I often have short term success in attracting women IF they think I am cute.
On the long term... that's another story ;-).
Examples of success on short term: they will give out their phone number a lot easier, they often find me "funny", etcetera
Why does my short term success fail? Well, it's the incompatibility of my personality with the woman's personality. This is normal, if she doesn't feel that I am the right man for her, it will never work on the long term.
Downside of Height
You can't attract girls that are a lot bigger than you. (I am speaking here like in: 1 foot bigger than you!) Well, you can try, but I don't think there are people that have a giant as woman. But perhaps you can prove ME wrong
It's all in the head
It's true that it's just all in the head. You think that being small makes it harder to get a woman. Yes that's true, but that's only the part of the problem. Being a small man, means that you have to have a lot more game than the average John Doe to get a girl. But you know it is not impossible to get girls
Troubleshooting
"I am really smaller than all girls, and they don't see me as a potential boyfriend".
There's nothing I can do to change your height. The only advice I can give you is: try to have more game, meet more women. I hope for you that you'll eventually find someone.
"But I did what you asked, and I still don't have any success".
I didn't say that you would have certain success with women. The only thing I did was trying to raise your chances with women.
I'm sorry to say this, but if this is the case for you: then you are too small to get an average woman. I'm sorry that you are small, but there's nothing you can do to change it. Just enjoy life to the fullest and be optimistic in find the love of your life...
Facts:
I am 160 centimeters tall (or 5 foot 4). I live in the Netherlands where people are among the tallest in the world.
I think I am a reliable source in providing information.
Theory:
Height does matter. It's baked into society. A man should be taller than the woman or at least as tall as the woman. What ever you do: you can't fight society alone, but you can learn how to influence and change the thoughts of people. You can make them think that being with someone smaller is not as bad as it seems.
You are only smaller, IF the person really sees that you are SMALLER. Perception is everything!
Clarification by examples:
I know a girl that was interested in me, because I am smaller than her. The only thing was: she was only a few (I think 1 or 2) inches bigger than me! I thought I could not get her.
Boy, was I wrong: she was giving me IOI's, she thought I was funny. You get the point. The difference of height was so small that nobody really notices it, unless someone says it of course. But she couldn't care at all at the "attraction stage".
So as long as the persons doesn't see you as someone who is smaller than you, you shouldn't fvcking care.
I know it happens: small boys that have bigger, beautifull girls. Of course this doesn't happen a lot, but it DOES happen. So don't give up the game yet! You haven't lost at all.
Height used an excuse
Yes, there are girls who don't like you if they see that you are smaller than the woman. The have their b*tch shield up with a force that is twice as normal. You can't do a lot on the short term to change her thoughts, but you can do it on the long term. I know it takes a lot more time than usual, but the advantage is that you will know she likes you as a person. Because if she is attracted to you, your looks won't matter. She likes you for who you are!
Height used as a double-edged sword
This section will get personal...
I use the style of being cute. I know a lot of Don Juans here think that being cute is a bad thing. But let me prove you wrong!
You could say I am the prince of cuteness on the University Campus!
Every day a girl will smile at me, and thinking I am cute. (And I am not kidding, walk with me, and you'll see it) Now you think: this is a bad thing, I don't wanna be cute. NO! It is a good thing: you don't need an opener now! Because if they smile you can say something like: "Hey! How are you?". And the hunt is open! In fact: I don't have to do something in order to approach a million girls. Girls approach ME!
Of course, I have specialised in being cute and I know how to handle it. The girls that like me are not the so called "b*tches", but are the sweet, friendly woman.
In conclusion: it is true I meet a lot of women on my University Campus, and I have already collected 4 numbers in two months. I know it's only a phone number, but I want to see the AFC guy do the same thing!
Height used as a celibrity trait
Yes: you are small, and you will be noticed by everyone. Just like the biggest person in the world!
Everybody will see that you are small. This can be used for the good. You all know that catching attention is a hard thing, but being a small person makes this twice as easy. Just use your height to approach every girl you want. Use your personality to attract the girl.
In my case, girls think I am cute. Being cute is the "attention anchor". It's just like being handsome or being a celebrity. I often have short term success in attracting women IF they think I am cute.
On the long term... that's another story ;-).
Examples of success on short term: they will give out their phone number a lot easier, they often find me "funny", etcetera
Why does my short term success fail? Well, it's the incompatibility of my personality with the woman's personality. This is normal, if she doesn't feel that I am the right man for her, it will never work on the long term.
Downside of Height
You can't attract girls that are a lot bigger than you. (I am speaking here like in: 1 foot bigger than you!) Well, you can try, but I don't think there are people that have a giant as woman. But perhaps you can prove ME wrong
It's all in the head
It's true that it's just all in the head. You think that being small makes it harder to get a woman. Yes that's true, but that's only the part of the problem. Being a small man, means that you have to have a lot more game than the average John Doe to get a girl. But you know it is not impossible to get girls
Troubleshooting
"I am really smaller than all girls, and they don't see me as a potential boyfriend".
There's nothing I can do to change your height. The only advice I can give you is: try to have more game, meet more women. I hope for you that you'll eventually find someone.
"But I did what you asked, and I still don't have any success".
I didn't say that you would have certain success with women. The only thing I did was trying to raise your chances with women.
I'm sorry to say this, but if this is the case for you: then you are too small to get an average woman. I'm sorry that you are small, but there's nothing you can do to change it. Just enjoy life to the fullest and be optimistic in find the love of your life...
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Prophett
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No, he probably wouldn't. The best a 5'3 guy that looked like tom cruise or brad pitt could do was commerical modeling, and even that's very doubtful.
The reason they are so strict about height actually has less to do with looks than you would think. It's actually because high fashion clothing only comes in one size.
And Mark Wahlberg was relatively famous before he became a model.
pimpfromdayone
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I am currently 5'7" as well (5'8" w/shoes on), and, in my opinion, ideal height is AVERAGE height. Average height for men is not even 6' btw.... it is more like 5'10" these days as far as I know (used to be a LOT lower, like in Napoleon's time)... We had the same discussion on muscle mass, and we (well most of us smart guys at least) reached the conclusion that average-built men did just as well as the really muscular men. I don't want the same argument all over again, and I won't sugarcoat anything for you. Being short can be a disadvantage, as well as being really tall and goofy/lanky looking, but ultimately, the face is still the major deciding factor for a woman when it comes to appearance. Given the same face, the slightly tall guy will probably be favored. Nobody said the world is fair.
It works out really well for me because I prefer shorter (petite) women.... no "leggy" blondes or oversized women for me thankyou very much. You're right that most women aren't quite as short as 5'1", but you can find them if you look. I know several girls around the 5'0" range and even a few only 4'10"-4'11" (and they were beautiful too). Do the best you can with what you have man.
Oh yeah, I do believe that "cute" is OFTEN a word used by women to describe a man who they would never have sex with. If you are short and small, but have a nice face, you might hear the word a lot, but if you want to change their interest to a sexual interest, you gotta get the attitude, as always. Attitude is what sets apart short men like Joe Pesci (5'2"?) and even Al Pacino (5'4" I believe) so that when they walk into a room, no matter what their height is, they are the biggest men in the room, and they command respect. Respect is what it is all about. A woman must first and foremost respect you. If height threatens this respect she might have for you, you can still make up for it. Do this, and you transform the "cute" into a "sexy," "hot," "pimp," etc.
It works out really well for me because I prefer shorter (petite) women.... no "leggy" blondes or oversized women for me thankyou very much. You're right that most women aren't quite as short as 5'1", but you can find them if you look. I know several girls around the 5'0" range and even a few only 4'10"-4'11" (and they were beautiful too). Do the best you can with what you have man.
Oh yeah, I do believe that "cute" is OFTEN a word used by women to describe a man who they would never have sex with. If you are short and small, but have a nice face, you might hear the word a lot, but if you want to change their interest to a sexual interest, you gotta get the attitude, as always. Attitude is what sets apart short men like Joe Pesci (5'2"?) and even Al Pacino (5'4" I believe) so that when they walk into a room, no matter what their height is, they are the biggest men in the room, and they command respect. Respect is what it is all about. A woman must first and foremost respect you. If height threatens this respect she might have for you, you can still make up for it. Do this, and you transform the "cute" into a "sexy," "hot," "pimp," etc.
Hmmm....I beg to differ. The women who have called me cute wanted to hook up with me. Guess what many women call Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, etc? CUTE!!!
I'm 5'6 and have had a number of "taller" women interested in being more than friends. Your height is only an issue for "some" women, but there are plenty out there who don't mind as long as they're attracted to something about you.
Obviously height can be an advantage as far as increased opportunites, but if a particular woman doesn't find you attractive, it doesn't matter HOW tall you are.
cfajason
Don Juan
Im 5`4.
I read something a week or two ago that stated women prefer men between 5'10" and 6'2". However, it also stated that taller men (above 6'2") made more money. I guess that means men care more about men's height than women, assuming most managers are males.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.