"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Am I the only guy who wants more from the game than just success with women?

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Bumble and Tinder have made it relatively easy for a guy with his $hit together to smack tons of women and get laid a lot but I feel like within me is this urge to want more from the game than that. I guess it stems from my college days of being in a fraternity and having a group of bros to organize parties with and smack hot girls with.

A part of me wonders if something like that is out there in the adult world or if its really a man for himself.

Even when I think about this objectively, sex is sex and that's it, it feels good and that's that. But I want more from the game than just the sex, I want a community, a brotherhood of male friends to take part in this stuff with, a group of women to have around for fun, and just that sort of feeling that comes over you when you have thrown a nice party with some guys and hot girls come and you hook up at the end of the night.

It's like I take success with women for granted but somehow feel that need to want more from the game.

Then at the same time I am fighting against society when I do this because a lot of people settle down after 25 or so, slow down with life, and start thinking about kids instead of having fun.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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btownbuck2012

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Bumble and Tinder have made it relatively easy for a guy with his $hit together to smack tons of women and get laid a lot but I feel like within me is this urge to want more from the game than that. I guess it stems from my college days of being in a fraternity and having a group of bros to organize parties with and smack hot girls with.

A part of me wonders if something like that is out there in the adult world or if its really a man for himself.

Even when I think about this objectively, sex is sex and that's it, it feels good and that's that. But I want more from the game than just the sex, I want a community, a brotherhood of male friends to take part in this stuff with, a group of women to have around for fun, and just that sort of feeling that comes over you when you have thrown a nice party with some guys and hot girls come and you hook up at the end of the night.

It's like I take success with women for granted but somehow feel that need to want more from the game.

Then at the same time I am fighting against society when I do this because a lot of people settle down after 25 or so, slow down with life, and start thinking about kids instead of having fun.
That's natural. It's a natural thing to want to be a part of a community and have a solid group of friends and family. In my opinion, it is one of life's greatest joys. There's nothing wrong with wanting that. I think the greatest info you can snag off of this forum is how to screen the right types of people to build that life with - because the fact of the matter is that while a solid community and family is a wonderful thing, with the wrong people it can become a nightmare and literally ruin your life. It's a fine line, definitely. But there's nothing wrong with wanting that. As men we've got to go out there and build our communities and become leaders in our communities but you've gotta have patience and make sure you're picking the right group of people to associate with, both men and women, and in NYC that can be quite tricky.
 
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Nop, I think it gives a really good blue print to handle women in general and don't lose self respect in the process.

Women are a dangerous kind, if you let them they will take everything from you, and then loose respect for you and ditch you
 

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I think there is more to "game" than success with women. At least ive gotten more out of it since i started on this site and looking into it.

I mean it was my original reason for getting into game, to get girls.

But what i found was success with women was really a by product of sorting out my own life, finding a purpose, getting on track, understanding myself etc.

Self improvement is a goal that will never stop giving you something to work for, stagnation on it means ypu stagnate in life.

Women as i say are just a by product, it should never ne the main focus and youll never be truly happy if it is.
 
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Outside of @btownbuck2012 to a degree, I think most of you misunderstood the point of my entire post. I want the hot girls but I also want the parties, friends, and a big social circle.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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