"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Am I done? Or do I still have a chance?

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Hey guys, new poster here :)

So I've been friends (sigh*) with this girl for a few years now, but I didn't see her in a compatible kind of way until about a year ago. We're in a close group but we weren't ever close in the "tell each other real personal stuff" kind of way either. We just hung out because our group is close and we did a lot of things together.

It wasn't until last year when she changed herself to become more girly (she used to dress a little bit like a tomboy, jeans nice top etc) and started wearing dresses more often did I finally notice her and she got the attention of other guys too. Honestly, I didn't notice her until I found out this guy liked her and she kinda liked him too which got me a little jealous. Took me about 6months to figure out if what I felt was real or not and decided it was.

Anyway, we'd used to go clubbing together (with the rest of my group) but we didn't ever really interact a whole lot (other than talk and drink), but it wasn't until a few months ago did she start holding my hand when she wanted to go to other areas of the club, like the bar and stuff. a few times, she tried to fix my hair when it was a little messed up. Last time we went clubbing she led me round the club with our hands interlocking at the fingers. A few times I've tried to sort of loosen up to let her go but she just tightened her grip and sometimes she would tighten her grip anyway.

Thing is, other signs point to her seeing me as a brother. On my birthday while having a shot, she goes "Happy Birthday Brother!" Maybe I'm in denial, but sometimes I feel like she's saying it not because there's no chemistry but because she's too scared to change the dynamics of our relationship because of what our friends would think. She's never been in a serious relationship, so I think she may also be too scared to get into one with me.

I'm not sure exactly what I should do. I've tried my hardest before to not think of her in this way, but I've accepted the fact that I like her and would risk our friendship to get her. I'm a very humble, modest and unselfish guy but for once I want to be selfish. With her. I've thought about it and for me, i think the best option is to break down our friendship (not to the ground obviously) and build it back up to one where she could see me as someone more compatible.

Thoughts? Maybe I'm just lying to myself. If anyone thinks I'm in total denial and can't see the forest around the tree and that I have no chance, please say so.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Diaforetikos

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There is always a chance. So now the question is, what are you gonna do about it?


What you decide changes the way you act around. If you want her, you have to start being more aggressive physically. She needs to know that your the man. You will also need to be more sexual around her in order to remove that "brother-sister" mindset out of her head.

Its possible at this stage, but it all depends on what you want.



YOUR A EFFIN' MAN. GO AFTER WHAT YOU WANT. THAT'S WHAT MEN DO. SO GO GET HER AND STOP THINKING ABOUT IT. YOUR JUST WASTING TIME!!
 

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I never wanted to brother-sister type of friendship with her. I guess it's partly my fault because when I first met her, I thought she was making runs at me and I subtly tried to pull away because at the time I didn't see her in that light. I could have been completely wrong and dug my own grave but that's what's up.

I feel fairly confident I can break out of the friends zone but I just wasn't sure if I'm already too deep.

Thanks for the advice Diaforetikos
 

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You're pretty damn deep. I don't believe it makes you afc. There's nothing wrong with having female friends, but if you're in a situation where you're not longer happy with just being friends then staying it that situation would make you a chump.

What I would do is start something with a different girl and see what kind of reaction you get. If you're not good enough to get a different girl just make one up and pretend you need some advice from her. Jealous = good to go. If she's indifferent, then it's extremely unlikely you'll ever get together.
 

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Chickfight is posting some good stuff lately. I agree with the above, but there's sometimes cat like jealousy in women and a desire to possess you without the desire to have sex or date you. So be careful with that.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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you took too long.. i think she probably wanted you to make a move but you never did! holding hands is a good start LOL. here's something for you to get your hopes up... a girl i met told me she just wanted to be friends so i was like meh. the next few days i stopped her at the door of my room and kissed her. from then on it was just sex almost everyday. you can CHANGE friendship into something else. i proved myself that time.
 

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Listen closely to chickfight & lonewolf!

That's exactly what I wldve said & how I feel!

Holding ur hand = security. That's a gd thing but not a bf thing. Siblings hold hands. You need to change the dynamics!! Btw why is she dragging you around by the hand & not the other way around...she's testing u & ur failing!
 

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NoCommitments said:
Listen closely to chickfight & lonewolf!

That's exactly what I wldve said & how I feel!

Holding ur hand = security. That's a gd thing but not a bf thing. Siblings hold hands. You need to change the dynamics!! Btw why is she dragging you around by the hand & not the other way around...she's testing u & ur failing!
I'll take charge next time. Maybe she was testing me. I tried to let go of her hand to see what she would do and she did what I expected her to. Held on tight.
 

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I plan to change the dynamics of our relationship. I started working out around half a year ago just to get into better shape for basketball and one of my close friends who has an understanding of my situation has told me that I'm turning more into that type of guy she's attracted because of the working out. I didn't do it for her, but I guess it's all the same if she likes what she's seeing. I was never a big work out guy so maybe this could also change the whole chemistry thing.
 
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