"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Am I done? Or do I still have a chance?

phxsun

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Hey guys, new poster here :)

So I've been friends (sigh*) with this girl for a few years now, but I didn't see her in a compatible kind of way until about a year ago. We're in a close group but we weren't ever close in the "tell each other real personal stuff" kind of way either. We just hung out because our group is close and we did a lot of things together.

It wasn't until last year when she changed herself to become more girly (she used to dress a little bit like a tomboy, jeans nice top etc) and started wearing dresses more often did I finally notice her and she got the attention of other guys too. Honestly, I didn't notice her until I found out this guy liked her and she kinda liked him too which got me a little jealous. Took me about 6months to figure out if what I felt was real or not and decided it was.

Anyway, we'd used to go clubbing together (with the rest of my group) but we didn't ever really interact a whole lot (other than talk and drink), but it wasn't until a few months ago did she start holding my hand when she wanted to go to other areas of the club, like the bar and stuff. a few times, she tried to fix my hair when it was a little messed up. Last time we went clubbing she led me round the club with our hands interlocking at the fingers. A few times I've tried to sort of loosen up to let her go but she just tightened her grip and sometimes she would tighten her grip anyway.

Thing is, other signs point to her seeing me as a brother. On my birthday while having a shot, she goes "Happy Birthday Brother!" Maybe I'm in denial, but sometimes I feel like she's saying it not because there's no chemistry but because she's too scared to change the dynamics of our relationship because of what our friends would think. She's never been in a serious relationship, so I think she may also be too scared to get into one with me.

I'm not sure exactly what I should do. I've tried my hardest before to not think of her in this way, but I've accepted the fact that I like her and would risk our friendship to get her. I'm a very humble, modest and unselfish guy but for once I want to be selfish. With her. I've thought about it and for me, i think the best option is to break down our friendship (not to the ground obviously) and build it back up to one where she could see me as someone more compatible.

Thoughts? Maybe I'm just lying to myself. If anyone thinks I'm in total denial and can't see the forest around the tree and that I have no chance, please say so.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Diaforetikos

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There is always a chance. So now the question is, what are you gonna do about it?


What you decide changes the way you act around. If you want her, you have to start being more aggressive physically. She needs to know that your the man. You will also need to be more sexual around her in order to remove that "brother-sister" mindset out of her head.

Its possible at this stage, but it all depends on what you want.



YOUR A EFFIN' MAN. GO AFTER WHAT YOU WANT. THAT'S WHAT MEN DO. SO GO GET HER AND STOP THINKING ABOUT IT. YOUR JUST WASTING TIME!!
 

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I never wanted to brother-sister type of friendship with her. I guess it's partly my fault because when I first met her, I thought she was making runs at me and I subtly tried to pull away because at the time I didn't see her in that light. I could have been completely wrong and dug my own grave but that's what's up.

I feel fairly confident I can break out of the friends zone but I just wasn't sure if I'm already too deep.

Thanks for the advice Diaforetikos
 

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You're pretty damn deep. I don't believe it makes you afc. There's nothing wrong with having female friends, but if you're in a situation where you're not longer happy with just being friends then staying it that situation would make you a chump.

What I would do is start something with a different girl and see what kind of reaction you get. If you're not good enough to get a different girl just make one up and pretend you need some advice from her. Jealous = good to go. If she's indifferent, then it's extremely unlikely you'll ever get together.
 

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Chickfight is posting some good stuff lately. I agree with the above, but there's sometimes cat like jealousy in women and a desire to possess you without the desire to have sex or date you. So be careful with that.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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you took too long.. i think she probably wanted you to make a move but you never did! holding hands is a good start LOL. here's something for you to get your hopes up... a girl i met told me she just wanted to be friends so i was like meh. the next few days i stopped her at the door of my room and kissed her. from then on it was just sex almost everyday. you can CHANGE friendship into something else. i proved myself that time.
 

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Listen closely to chickfight & lonewolf!

That's exactly what I wldve said & how I feel!

Holding ur hand = security. That's a gd thing but not a bf thing. Siblings hold hands. You need to change the dynamics!! Btw why is she dragging you around by the hand & not the other way around...she's testing u & ur failing!
 

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NoCommitments said:
Listen closely to chickfight & lonewolf!

That's exactly what I wldve said & how I feel!

Holding ur hand = security. That's a gd thing but not a bf thing. Siblings hold hands. You need to change the dynamics!! Btw why is she dragging you around by the hand & not the other way around...she's testing u & ur failing!
I'll take charge next time. Maybe she was testing me. I tried to let go of her hand to see what she would do and she did what I expected her to. Held on tight.
 

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I plan to change the dynamics of our relationship. I started working out around half a year ago just to get into better shape for basketball and one of my close friends who has an understanding of my situation has told me that I'm turning more into that type of guy she's attracted because of the working out. I didn't do it for her, but I guess it's all the same if she likes what she's seeing. I was never a big work out guy so maybe this could also change the whole chemistry thing.
 
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