"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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"What happened to all the nice guys?"

I see this question posted with some regularity in the personals section, so I thought I'd take a minute to explain things to the ladies out there that haven't figured it out.

What happened to all the nice guys?

The answer is simple: you did.

See, if you think back, really hard, you might vaguely remember a Platonic guy pal who always seemed to want to spend time with you. He'd tag along with you when you went shopping, stop by your place for a movie when you were lonely but didn't feel like going out, or even sit there and hold you while you sobbed and told him about how horribly the (other) guy that you were ****ing treated you.

At the time, you probably joked with your girlfriends about how he was a little puppy dog, always following you around, trying to do things to get you to pay attention to him. They probably teased you because they thought he had a crush on you. Given that his behavior was, admittedly, a little pathetic, you vehemently denied having any romantic feelings for him, and buttressed your position by claiming that you were "just friends." Besides, he totally wasn't your type. I mean, he was a little too short, or too bald, or too fat, or too poor, or didn't know how to dress himself, or basically be or do any of the things that your tall, good-looking, fit, rich, stylish boyfriend at the time pulled off with such ease.

Eventually, your Platonic buddy drifted away, as your relationship with the boyfriend got more serious and spending time with this other guy was, admittedly, a little weird, if you werent dating him. More time passed, and the boyfriend eventually cheated on you, or became boring, or you realized that the things that attracted you to him weren't the kinds of things that make for a good, long-term relationship. So, now, you're single again, and after having tried the bar scene for several months having only encountered players and douche bags, you wonder, "What happened to all the nice guys?"

Well, once again, you did.

You ignored the nice guy. You used him for emotional intimacy without reciprocating, in kind, with physical intimacy. You laughed at his consideration and resented his devotion. You valued the aloof boyfriend more than the attentive "just-a-" friend. Eventually, he took the hint and moved on with his life. He probably came to realize, one day, that women aren't really attracted to guys who hold doors open; or make dinners just because; or buy you a Christmas gift that you mentioned, in passing, that you really wanted five months ago; or listen when you're upset; or hold you when you cry. He came to realize that, if he wanted a woman like you, he'd have to act more like the boyfriend that you had. He probably cleaned up his look, started making some money, and generally acted like more of an ******* than he ever wanted to be.

Fact is, now, he's probably getting laid, and in a way, your ultimate rejection of him is to thank for that. And I'm sorry that it took the complete absence of "nice guys" in your life for you to realize that you missed them and wanted them. Most women will only have a handful of nice guys stumble into their lives, if that.

So, if you're looking for a nice guy, here's what you do:

1.) Build a time machine.
2.) Go back a few years and pull your head out of your ass.
3.) Take a look at what's right in front of you and grab ahold of it.

I suppose the other possibility is that you STILL don't really want a nice guy, but you feel the social pressure to at least appear to have matured beyond your infantile taste in men. In which case, you might be in luck, because the nice guy you claim to want has, in reality, shed his nice guy mantle and is out there looking to unleash his cynicism and resentment onto someone just like you.

If you were five years younger.

So, please: either stop misrepresenting what you want, or own up to the fact that you've ****ed yourself over. You're getting older, after all. It's time to excise the bull**** and deal with reality. You didn't want a nice guy then, and he certainly doesn't ****ing want you, now.

Sincerely,

A Recovering Nice Guy



(Can't take credit for the post, but i 100% agree, stolen off of another forum)
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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this is funny

it's basically a pathetic AFC trying to convince girls that nice guys are the ones they should date.

why would u fvcking tag along with her everywhere she goes? do you not have better things to do?

...yes i know it's not you, but ^ that was toward whoever wrote this.
 

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Ha sounds like you had a little steam to rant off.

My outlook on nice guys has always been pretty neutral. I used to be a nice guy, just as I'm sure we all did. I now call myself a good guy who is nice to those who are close to me.

The reality of this world though is that people are naturally NOT nice. It's a dog eat dog world out there. If a woman finds someone who pleases her more, it doesn't matter how nice you are, she's moving on. It's a harsh reality but a good lesson to learn from. I value my friends on not how nice they are, but how honorable they are and what their object in life is. I don't associate with "nice" guys who don't have anything going for them anymore. It's all about self worth.

Just like a lot of guys, women want men who have self worth and don't have to be overly nice to makeup for whatever disadvantages they have.

I don't fault women for this. If you fault women for this, you're just going against the grain and it's really never going to change. Just GO with it. If a woman prefers a man who is mentally strong and not overly obsessive, then she's in luck. But if a woman prefers a man who is going to treat her like **** and cheat on her, then next. These women are bad news.

anyways, good post.
 

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Well i see all my nice guy friends not getting any ever sooo I'm not gonna be like them
 

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The formula is:

90% Nice guy
10% A$$hole
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Dong Fu you are right again, I have more and more respect for you as time goes on :)

I remember a while ago, maybe a year or so, one of my close friends, a "natural", said "you need to be an a$$hole, but ALSO nice and charming."
"You, Vlad, are JUST an a$$hole" lol. But I have fixed that haha.
 

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DJVladdy said:
Dong Fu you are right again, I have more and more respect for you as time goes on :)

I remember a while ago, maybe a year or so, one of my close friends, a "natural", said "you need to be an a$$hole, but ALSO nice and charming."
"You, Vlad, are JUST an a$$hole" lol. But I have fixed that haha.
Good going. The small percentage of A$$hole is what keeps it working. She wont respect 100% nice. And, if she's a valid girl, she won't tolerate more than a little as$hole. But each HB is different, and you always need to calibrate. Some need more A$$hole, some need more nice, and some just need more d!ck. :crackup:
 

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Same story goes for those really nice girls who are sweet as hell and know they like you but they're just a little too horizontal in the midsection or they have bad skin.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Dongfu said:
Good going. The small percentage of A$$hole is what keeps it working. She wont respect 100% nice. And, if she's a valid girl, she won't tolerate more than a little as$hole. But each HB is different, and you always need to calibrate. Some need more A$$hole, some need more nice, and some just need more d!ck. :crackup:

LMFAO.

Well stated dongster.
 

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I currently have two close female friends who are currently taking advantage of the nice guy(AFC) while dating a$$holes. I plan on sharing this thread with them, if nothing else to make them think about what they really want.
 

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They don't want *******s they want a strong (mentally) man. A man who won't tolerate bad behaviour and a man who she knows will walk away from the relationship if she crosses the line.

*******s are attractive because they have some of these qualities. Nice guys are not attractive because they are weak. They'll do anything for the woman and makes her the prize and she finds this a turn off.
 

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Dongfu said:
The formula is:

90% Nice guy
10% A$$hole
Couldn't agree more....just gotta have the a$$hole when it matters :)
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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learned that the hard i went to ******* and im trying to be "nicer" but not afc sorta thing
 

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Dongfu said:
The formula is:

90% Nice guy
10% A$$hole
this formula backwards is what attracts women. Women love to dig out the "nice guy spots" from their bad boy boyfriends. Women want a guy that keeps them guessing and whom they think they can "reform." The few times the a*hole talks about feelings or shows emotion or just plain shows "goodness" only makes the girl want him more. It shows her he ain't all bad and is really "a good guy," (in her mind) while the rest of us 80-90% good guys are just "too good." ;)

I will always remember the times hearing my female friend telling me how her bf is such a sweety. Her bf was just an arrogant a*hole who yelled at her and didn't pay attention to her but sometimes he would give her a rose or some gift and to her that was him showing his (true good guy nature). She was attracted to the qualities that girls love in a*holes (exciting, mysterious, not putting up with female sh|t tests, unpredictable), and the few times he showed his "nice guy nature" he just had her under his spell.

Nice guys show those "good qualities" way too often. Lord forgive me but this is just how women work. You would think women would want more of the good qualities all the time but apparently not.

natural born a*holes are more 80-90% a**holes
real formula FOR US NICE GUYS TO IMITATE: 30-60% a*hole (achievable for us wannabes)
 

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Joe, with all due respect,
What the hell you talking about?!
 

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Joe The Homophobe said:
this formula backwards is what attracts women. Women love to dig out the "nice guy spots" from their bad boy boyfriends. Women want a guy that keeps them guessing and whom they think they can "reform." The few times the a*hole talks about feelings or shows emotion or just plain shows "goodness" only makes the girl want him more. It shows her he ain't all bad and is really "a good guy," (in her mind) while the rest of us 80-90% good guys are just "too good." ;)

I will always remember the times hearing my female friend telling me how her bf is such a sweety. Her bf was just an arrogant a*hole who yelled at her and didn't pay attention to her but sometimes he would give her a rose or some gift and to her that was him showing his (true good guy nature). She was attracted to the qualities that girls love in a*holes (exciting, mysterious, not putting up with female sh|t tests, unpredictable), and the few times he showed his "nice guy nature" he just had her under his spell.

Nice guys show those "good qualities" way too often. Lord forgive me but this is just how women work. You would think women would want more of the good qualities all the time but apparently not.

natural born a*holes are more 80-90% a**holes
real formula FOR US NICE GUYS TO IMITATE: 30-60% a*hole (achievable for us wannabes)
Whole thing in a nutshell. Well said.
 

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Joe The Homophobe said:
this formula backwards is what attracts women. Women love to dig out the "nice guy spots" from their bad boy boyfriends. Women want a guy that keeps them guessing and whom they think they can "reform." The few times the a*hole talks about feelings or shows emotion or just plain shows "goodness" only makes the girl want him more. It shows her he ain't all bad and is really "a good guy," (in her mind) while the rest of us 80-90% good guys are just "too good." ;)

I will always remember the times hearing my female friend telling me how her bf is such a sweety. Her bf was just an arrogant a*hole who yelled at her and didn't pay attention to her but sometimes he would give her a rose or some gift and to her that was him showing his (true good guy nature). She was attracted to the qualities that girls love in a*holes (exciting, mysterious, not putting up with female sh|t tests, unpredictable), and the few times he showed his "nice guy nature" he just had her under his spell.

Nice guys show those "good qualities" way too often. Lord forgive me but this is just how women work. You would think women would want more of the good qualities all the time but apparently not.

natural born a*holes are more 80-90% a**holes
real formula FOR US NICE GUYS TO IMITATE: 30-60% a*hole (achievable for us wannabes)

This depends on how much drama you want. Lame b!tches need a higher % *******. Really cool women, the kind I like, are more self assured and dont need "such a challenge" as a 60% a$$hole brings. You are right. There are more women than not who crave a bigger and bigger a$$hole. I personally am not looking for a girl like that.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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