"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Ahhh Thank you all !

AlexTheGreat

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Well, thank you all for helping me remove some AFC-ness from me -- especially NRM ! Thanks to this site, the bible, and the good people here, I got rid of my Oneitis, moved on, and made it click with an old acquaintance, that I hadn't seen for more than 2 years !

Long story short, I saw her again, for the first time in 2 years, through a friend who organized a little party ... Got a date after that, we went to the movies, and saw "The Day After Tomorrow". Applied a lot of kino throughout the date, C+F and eye contact, and it worked nicely ! I got a second date !

So, for this second one, I invite her to watch some movies at my house. We go in my room and watch a few DVDs, ranging from "Final Fantasy" to "The Shining", and afterwards we talked a little. I then went in, kissed her : she says "What was that for ?" to which I reply "Nothing, just because". We were both lying on my bed at this point : after the kiss, I had backed down and lied down. Now, she comes and kisses me, and we make out for like 40 minutes ! Needless to say, it went nicely !

So, I talk to her again today, and tell her I wanna see her again. Everything is going fine, for now ! But, I'm starting to regret something : I told her that my bus pass was still valid for a few days, so we should see each other somewhere around her place, that way she doesn'T have to pay for bus tickets, and I can use my pass, which means we don't pay for anything yet. But, I told her to propose something fun to do : this is what's scaring me a little, because I haven't taken the initiative in the activity .... sortof .... In a way, I took the initiative in proposing we do something this Friday, but, seen from another angle, I gave her control ....

So, what are your opinions on this last development ? Did I **** up by "letting her decide what we should do" ?

Once again, thanks for everything ! This site is great, and the members are extraordinary ! I haven't been here for a long time, but already I can feel I'm becoming more DJ-ish ! Before, I would never have asked out a girl I just met, out : now, I don't have a problem with it anymore ! So, great job to everyone contributing to this site ! Continue the excellent work ! :)
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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NRM

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Hey, you don't have to analyze every incident. Don't worry man, she kissed you back and everything so at least she has interest. Yeah, letting her choose the activity is bad for early on in the relationship because early on you barely know eachother so she isn't sure what you like to do. It just makes it tough. So don't be surprised if she comes up with nothing and depends on you to pick (happened to me lots). Just be sure to have something if that happens. And if she does pick, it'll be okay too, it's just one incident in hopefully many incidents afterwards. Good luck man.
 

Jerky Boi

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You did nothing wrong. Just try not to over analyze everything. You know she has interest so that should make for an interesting 3rd date. Whatever she picks should be fun. Good luck
 

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you're doin great dude. just be sure to plan an interesting thing or two in the near future.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

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