"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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After first call is not returned...

What to do?

  • Wait if she calls tomorrow

    Votes: 8 30.8%
  • Write a text message, asking the same thing I made the call for (hanging out)

    Votes: 2 7.7%
  • Call her again tomorrow after her shift

    Votes: 7 26.9%
  • F*uck it and say NEEEEXXXTT

    Votes: 9 34.6%

  • Total voters
    26

ThreeStorms

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Whats up with these crazy chicks! Some of them are quite eager to give me their number early on. So why don't they ****ing answer my calls?! As we all know, chicks love their cell phone and take it everywhere. Even if she missed the call, she can return it later if she wants too.
Well its already a few hours later and I don't expect a call for the rest of the day (she works very early in the morning and goes to bed early on)

What would you do? I 'm not sure I want to next her on the spot, as we had quite a good time I first met her (2 days ago). We talked about meeting a few days later and stuff. Damn it.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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ThreeStorms

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Forgot to mention, she appeared to be a nice person, but seems to be quite spoiled, looking on her 'net profile (having very high standards even if she is just a 7-8)
 

Max Power

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ThreeStorms said:
Forgot to mention, she appeared to be a nice person, but seems to be quite spoiled, looking on her 'net profile (having very high standards even if she is just a 7-8)
They all have high standards. Except the 1s to 3s
 

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I always call with private number on so I do not have these headaches. I do it mostly because when I call a girl I have time to talk to her but if she is going to call back an hour later I will probably be busy. I do not like call backs, I call when I want it keeps me in control. So anyway you might want to try calling with private number....
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Hey, saves my money if she calls me :)
No man, at least where I live its seen as creepy/on the border of stalking if your number is suppressed. And in case she really doesn't want to talk to me, there is no use in tricking her to answer the phone (I know you disable caller id for different reasons, but most don't)
 

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I'd wait a couple days, call her once more and if she doesn't answer or call back, next. At least give the impression that you're busy.

Don't say anything that could be perceived as needy either, you want her to think your time is valuable and you have other options.
 

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I call her the next day and say
"playing hard to get already? come on, talk to me sweetheart"
 

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ThreeStorms said:
Whats up with these crazy chicks! Some of them are quite eager to give me their number early on. So why don't they ****ing answer my calls?! As we all know, chicks love their cell phone and take it everywhere. Even if she missed the call, she can return it later if she wants too.
Well its already a few hours later and I don't expect a call for the rest of the day (she works very early in the morning and goes to bed early on)

What would you do? I 'm not sure I want to next her on the spot, as we had quite a good time I first met her (2 days ago). We talked about meeting a few days later and stuff. Damn it.
Just a question, so when you FIRST called her, did she already have your number on her cellphone.

And when you FIRST called her, did she even pick up?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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violator

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If she doesnt call you back after the third call and assuming she is not in the hospital or involved in some unfortunate situation, you can pretty much write her off as uninterested.
 

Bonhomme

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Blocking calls is too stalkerish.

I leave a message, and leave my number, even if I know she has it. I've known many people to lose their phones, and all their #s with them (moral: put important numbers in a phone book).

What to do after leaving a message depends upon the woman (i.e., what I know or sense of her character) and the situation. I chose "wait for her to call the next day" as the best answer.

If she doesn't call back, sometimes I'll call again in a few days, sometimes I'll just forget about her.
 

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You you are right it does seem a little stalkerish but like i said i do it for different reasons. The funny thing is I always get girls that want to sleep with me calling me and saying "did you just call?, I got a call with a blocked number and you are the only person i know who does that". Obviously they didn't get a call they jsut want to talk to me.... it is amusing
 

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wait for her to return your call..when she didn't,shes not interested.. :D
 

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I once called this chick who I met at a club 7 times before I was able to reach her and even left her messages. She was the one who appraoched me and gave me her number so I knew her IL was high. When I finally was able to reach her, she was very happy to hear from me and we dated thereafter and she wanted to marry me (very high IL). She told me that she was having some health issues with her father at the time taqth prevented her from returning
my calls.

So, sometimes you cant write a girl off just because she does not return your calls at the time. She may be going through stuff or may even be shy or intimidated by you. You just have to use common sense. If you first met her and she seemed interested, then she probably still is unless you waited too long to call her.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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ThreeStorms

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Hmm, we did not exactly have the time of our lives when we met, but it was ok, nice and relaxed. We talked, I used light c&f, she made some jokes and we laughed. I can't say she was definitly interessed in me, but at least I got the number.
Just made a decision, wrote a very casual text message telling her I was going to the lake where we first met and she should contact me if she wants to join.
If she answers yes, I am in. If she says no, she may simply have no time and there is another opportunity later. If she doesn't answer at all, bye bye.

Good decision?
 

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ThreeStorms said:
Hmm, we did not exactly have the time of our lives when we met, but it was ok, nice and relaxed. We talked, I used light c&f, she made some jokes and we laughed. I can't say she was definitly interessed in me, but at least I got the number.
Just made a decision, wrote a very casual text message telling her I was going to the lake where we first met and she should contact me if she wants to join.
If she answers yes, I am in. If she says no, she may simply have no time and there is another opportunity later. If she doesn't answer at all, bye bye.

Good decision?
I would not text. I would just call. Texting or e-mailing seems too impersonal and she may think you are wuss.

Like my example above, I just sensed that the girl was too interested to just ignore me like that. I knew there was a legitimate reason she did not return my calls. And my instincts were correct.

You just have to go with your gut sometimes.
 

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Now I get what you're driving at, NickBe. Sometimes I block caller ID if I don't want the person to call the number from which I'm calling for some reason or other.

If they don't answer (which they usually don't, because blocked calls are usually telemarketers), I leave the number I want them to call in the message.
 

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I agree with the guy who said to call her back in two days (if you're willing to put up with this b1tchy flaky behavior at all, that is).
 

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just call again in a couple of days. if she doesnt answer just move on. do u really want to pursue a woman who doesnt have the courtesy to return your calls? i personally don't.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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