"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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after a big fight: Play it cool or don juan style?

NatiL

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ok. i'm a wanna be player, ****ed around alot, not usually into the lovey dovey stuff.

latest girl and I just had a huge fight, broke up.. and i couldn't repair things

a little info: we were together about 5 months. she wasn't secure finally , it comes to a head, we break up [but depart on good terms]. when i try to meet her again, find out the break up was final, can't fix it.

last night she called me and set up a meeting.. but i was in a business dinner and couldn't leave it early, so i was late, and she left. i took it as a good sign that she misses me.

the next day, i talk to her a few minutes[ wait for her to engage me ] and she says , it's a bad idea to meet.. she lost feeling. i tell her .. yea.. she is right.. [nobody wins an argument] and persuade her to meet me one more time *to say goodbye* (even if I don't convince her back, I do want closure). i'm not sure if she will go through with that meeting or not.. it is on Wed.

my heart tells me to chase after her with don juan style romantic stuff.. remind her of our happy times together... she seemed interested when I said 'real relationship' before.. get her laughing.. happy.. convince her I can give 100%

my mind tells me to play it cold. wait for her to engage me.. don't do any don juan stuff.. just .. go earring shopping [for me] or something together and try to get the old happy feeling back [which is probably pretty difficult at this point].

how do I play this? before the meeting.. setting up the meeting.. and at the meeting.

advice!!! thanks!!!
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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WC2

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A meeting to say goodbye?

I'm pretty sure your girl has already interpreted this as a "one more chance for him to try and get my back" kind of thing.

You can't talk a girl into feeling for you. You can't reason with her. The more you try, the more you'll cry. Women like men for who they are, not who they are trying to be.

So I think you already made the mistake of arranging this meeting, but not so fast.. you're not going to back out. That's just cowardly and typical of a man who can't execute.

You're going to meet up with her and keep it on a 100% friend level. You're going to be very positive, never bringing up the past, and you're going to keep the conversation upbeat and funny. There shouldn't even be mention of the reason you two are actually meeting up at least till half way the conversation. And you are not bringing it up. Make HER bring it up.

I'm the last guy who will tell you how to "get a girl back," because I firmly believe that any girl in their right mind who leaves me, doesn't deserve me. But if you insist on loving this girl, then you need to hold back. You can't make her like you again with words. You need to step back and show her that you're perfectly fine with being friends for now. This will refresh your image in her mind for now, and most likely she'll have second thoughts later on.

Don't rely on this girl too much though.. go talk to some other women also!
 

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well thanks dude, sounds like great advice.. i do have a bit of one-itis here, but to be fair she left me because she almost caught me cheating on her..

sounds like a good plan, any other advice? i'd love to hear it!
 

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chump!!!

Half the world population is female, and your wasting your time with this chick???

1) Men have options, chumps hold on to what ever they can get.
2) There will always be a better one....somewhere
3) She has the power,
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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