"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Advice on properly handling a 19-year old

AMDG

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The Grue said:
wait for an opportune moment to extend another invite to her.
Why bother ? A woman who's interested in you will escalate things quickly, but with a woman who's not interested it soon becomes an uphill battle and you loose self-confidence and precious time.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Zarky

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R. Don Steele is actually the best guy to read for advice about much younger chicks. Read "How to Date Young Women for Men Over 35," it's actually a pretty good book.
 

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There's an inate mental difference with 19 year old Kardashian slags, and those who're 19 year old unpolished young women.

The former are to be used, and re-used in the covering darkness, as the empty hole they strive to be. The latter are desperate for a mature, positively-aggressive masculine Hero to lead her past her swollen inhibitions.

When you gaze into her pretty, listful, neophyte eyes; imagine how she's looking at you.

Then be that thing.
 

easun

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AMDG said:
Why bother ? A woman who's interested in you will escalate things quickly, but with a woman who's not interested it soon becomes an uphill battle and you loose self-confidence and precious time.
It sounds to me like she's subconsciously testing him. Why? She barely knows him. There is not enough info yet for her to be highly interested. But passing these tests creates interest.

This wouldn't even phase most naturals. They'd just strike up another conversation later on. There is no telling whether she is interested or not. But I would assume she is.
 

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It is essential for the OP to indicate his location so folks like myself can know the part of the world where it is legal for a 19 yo to work at a bar.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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AmIAFC

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Not to sound negative, but I wouldn't bother putting too much effort or thought into this project. I've dated late teenagers in the past, mostly during my late 20s, and every single one of those girls were a load to handle -- from their immaturity to their spats of wild emotion to their tastes. It felt like I was babysitting half the time, and I simply didn't have the energy to keep up.

If you can do it, then by all means. If you're willing to put up with a lot of trivial BS that will most assuredly come out of her mouth and through her actions, then go for it and I wish you luck.
 

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If it was me I would go ghost and wait for her to make a move. You need to 1) not come across as desperate (she's turned down your last 2 offers) and 2) gauge whether she is interested or just likes the attention of an older man.
This is actually when us DJ's get tested the most - not when the pvssy is flowing and all is well, but when it dries up and we have fewer plates and the possibility of rejection, can we show discipline, energy and self-assurance to get the momentum back with us?
I wholeheartedly agree with you...I too believe she would have found a way to connect if it was a priority and yes, I plan to go ghost and wait for her to communicate...it REALLY seems to be about capturing the moment with these young ones, doesn't it?

easun said:
She's probably still interested. For the purposes of gaming, I would consider these "tests" or "playing hard to get." She does barely know you still.

Do a small takeaway (go ghost) as was mentioned in the last post, spin some plates (if you can), DHV to her in the meantime (if you can), and then try again a bit later.
Good advice...

KarmaSutra said:
There's an inate mental difference with 19 year old Kardashian slags, and those who're 19 year old unpolished young women.

The former are to be used, and re-used in the covering darkness, as the empty hole they strive to be. The latter are desperate for a mature, positively-aggressive masculine Hero to lead her past her swollen inhibitions.

When you gaze into her pretty, listful, neophyte eyes; imagine how she's looking at you.
Then be that thing.
I will try, but this young one is quite confident in herself, and she gets lots of attention. However, that did not stop her from constantly trying to impress me...again, I plan to disappear and enjoy life..we'll see what happens...at best, another plate will turn out to be the next big thing...

To answer other posters, I will look into R don Steele's book, and I am writing as an American living in Athens(where you can do just about anything if you're over 17)...

I will post if I have something significant and welcome all advice,

Thanks
 

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easun said:
Taking things slow

More time + less sex = more beta

Of course, not every guy can get a girl to sleep with him on the first meet. But that should always be your goal. Why care about anything else but SEX with a 19 year old??? Do you care about her MIND? HAH! She's 19! Treat her like a piece of meat - that's how she wants to be treated. Two steps forward, one step back, repeat until the deal is done. What would George Clooney do? (WWGCD)

I suppose you could take her on a "date," but my feeling is that she'd think this was just some B.S. cover up of what it is you really want to do.
HAHAHA "what would george clooney do? thats awesome.
 

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I called her to get something going, she said she couldn't make it and I let it drop... since then I have had no contact whatsoever... It is as other members of the forum said, you have to seize the opportunity when it arises, because these 19 year-olds are whimsical to say the least...

Also, I think she may be seeing her BF again...although I am not certain. In any case, I am occupying myself with other women and if she contacts me again I will try to do a better job this time...But there will be absolutely no contact on my part.

Thanks for reading the thread!
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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That sux, OP. But at least you can recognise your mistakes.
It's only through failure that we learn the path to success.
 

drak_ool

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The Grue said:
It is as other members of the forum said, you have to seize the opportunity when it arises, because these 19 year-olds are whimsical to say the least...
for once I hate to see that I was right... However, props to you for putting your ego aside and keeping us updated, as this gives valuable insight to other SS members.

Lesson of the day: strike while the iron is hot!
 
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