A guy who just left my office.

[Warrior74]

I hate to make another MRA thread. But this literally JUST happened in my office today. And remember this is his side of the story. This guy was cheating on his wife he admits, and she was cheating on him (but she thought he didn't know). He said they haven't had sex in years. She found out about his girlfriend and filed divorced. She planted drugs in his car according to him. They both smoke pot. She called the cops. She claimed on camera that she never did it and asked him to stop. She told the cops exactly where to find it and how much was in the car. Said he threatened to kill her. He was arrested for both domestic violence with no marks on her (just lots of tears.. "I'm scared of him") and for drug possession. She took all his money while he was locked up, cleaned out the bank accounts. The cops advised her to file a restraining order while he's locked up so he can't come back. The cops were very sympathetic to her on the tape. She did a great job of seeming like a person in great distress. He moved to his mothers house after he got out of jail.

Then she takes him back for 3 months, with the threat of jail hanging over his head. He lied about leaving his girlfriend and she found out. Now she's going through with the divorce and filed a second restraining order and domestic assault charge.

We are enhancing the video and audio of his arrest for his lawyer. She said in court that she knew nothing about drugs, so he's using the video to refute that. He's on probation for weed possession from years back so I doubt that will help his case at all.

On his way out of the door, I told him to google men's rights.

 

[Solomon]

Nice work.

I bet this wasn't a black man though. MRA's aren't interested in helping them.

how are MRA gonna help him win his case? the guy is a dumbass for violating his probation in the first place smoking reefer.

Once again Pook is laughing somewhere silly....

 

[( . )( . )]

Nice job Warrior74, there's loads of real red pill advice out there if this guy is directed to the right places and more importantly it will ONLY be advice from guys who have all been there done that before him.

how are MRA gonna help him win his case? the guy is a dumbass for violating his probation in the first place smoking reefer.

Once again Pook is laughing somewhere silly....

Sounds like someone needs a rest from the community, it's becoming all too much for him.

And btw stop plugging your sh!tty blog over at Rollo's every chance you can get, have some dignity and decorum.

 

[Solomon]

Nice job Warrior74, there's loads of real red pill advice out there if this guy is directed to the right places and more importantly it will ONLY be advice from guys who have all been there done that before him.



Sounds like someone needs a rest from the community, it's becoming all too much for him.

And btw stop plugging your sh!tty blog over at Rollo's every chance you can get, have some dignity and decorum.

Funny that wasn't a link to my blog, and lol @ you trying to flip the topic, please answer the question. How Will MRM/MRA guys help him. Since you hate my blog let me quote from a blogger that I know that you do like

The biggest problem with MRAs is that they are not activists. They are pamphleteers. They believe knowledge alone will solve the ills of the world. They believe that merely reading about how men are getting shafted will improve the status quo. They believe that one-thousand of them typing away and producing ten-thousand blog posts will change society. Men will spontaneously rise up! They will fight the matriarchy! But they haven’t, and they never will. Their movement hasn’t produced any results, only little online playgrounds where sad boys can sit in the sandbox and helplessly watch girls play with the ****y boys who understand the rules of the game.

I looked in the dictionary for the definition of activist: “the policy or action of using vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.” What political or social change have the men’s rights pamphleteers brought? Say MRP in one syllable. That’s the sound they make every time they sit down and hit publish on another one of their turd rants, giddy at the prospect of changing the world when a cup of strong coffee accomplishes more change to their actual turds. They are not read by the influencers of our society. They don’t have the ears of politicians, professors, or journalists. They get the occasional snarky mention from Jezebel and think they’re accomplishing something when they’re actually being used as nothing more than fodder for female bemusement or page views that help make Nick Denton richer. Even the feminists, their supposed mortal enemy, refuse to debate them on equal footing.

There are 684 woman’s studies programs in the United States. How many men’s rights programs have the MRPs helped instate? Zero. How many pro-man laws have been passed thanks to the work of the MRP? None. How many real victories can they claim? Not one. The entire men’s rights non-movement can be boiled down to one middle-aged man named Paul Elam who is carrying the weight of a thousand pamphleteers on his suffering shoulders. That’s not activism, that’s following one dude’s blog. The difference they think they’re making by cheering the public outing of false rape accusers or “male shamers” is the same difference my sister makes when she reads an article in Cosmo.--Roosh V The Men's right movement is dead

Obviously you have read little to nothing on the MRM.

• Did you not notice that the man is immediately presumed and treated guilty for Domestic Violence?
• Did you not notice that this was used to eject the man from his home?
• Did you not notice that she also used it as a method to seize all of the money in the accounts while he was falsely imprisoned?

All from that little False Domestic Violence accusation. That is EXACTLY what the MRM wants to stop. But of course, that doesn't help black men, right? Because black men are never falsely accused and imprisoned for such things. Right?

Once again how will MRM stop this and how will they help him? all this rhetoric and bullet points bro but yet you still fail to answer a simple question.

 

[( . )( . )]

Once again how will MRM stop this and how will they help him? all this rhetoric and bullet points bro but yet you still fail to answer a simple question.

Could of sworn I just did.

Oh yeah I did..

there's loads of real red pill advice out there if this guy is directed to the right places and more importantly it will ONLY be advice from guys who have all been there done that before him.

You seem a bit confused on what role MRM plays, ALL they do is help men. I would have thought the name "mens rights" would have been a dead giveaway.

I got to say Solomon at least your one of the more entertaining enabling mangina's we have here.

 

[Solomon]

So wait let me get this straight "advice" is suppose to help him alone?

Once again

The biggest problem with MRAs is that they are not activists. They are pamphleteers. They believe knowledge alone will solve the ills of the world. They believe that merely reading about how men are getting shafted will improve the status quo. They believe that one-thousand of them typing away and producing ten-thousand blog posts will change society. Men will spontaneously rise up! They will fight the matriarchy! But they haven’t, and they never will. Their movement hasn’t produced any results, only little online playgrounds where sad boys can sit in the sandbox and helplessly watch girls play with the ****y boys who understand the rules of the game.

I looked in the dictionary for the definition of activist: “the policy or action of using vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.” What political or social change have the men’s rights pamphleteers brought? Say MRP in one syllable. That’s the sound they make every time they sit down and hit publish on another one of their turd rants, giddy at the prospect of changing the world when a cup of strong coffee accomplishes more change to their actual turds. They are not read by the influencers of our society. They don’t have the ears of politicians, professors, or journalists. They get the occasional snarky mention from Jezebel and think they’re accomplishing something when they’re actually being used as nothing more than fodder for female bemusement or page views that help make Nick Denton richer. Even the feminists, their supposed mortal enemy, refuse to debate them on equal footing.

There are 684 woman’s studies programs in the United States. How many men’s rights programs have the MRPs helped instate? Zero. How many pro-man laws have been passed thanks to the work of the MRP? None. How many real victories can they claim? Not one. The entire men’s rights non-movement can be boiled down to one middle-aged man named Paul Elam who is carrying the weight of a thousand pamphleteers on his suffering shoulders. That’s not activism, that’s following one dude’s blog. The difference they think they’re making by cheering the public outing of false rape accusers or “male shamers” is the same difference my sister makes when she reads an article in Cosmo.--Roosh V The Men's right movement is dead

and

I’ve made dozens of posts complaining of American women and feminism. I’ve read a thousand articles on the internet about how they are ruining society. Aren’t I just like the MRPs? Aren’t I just another professional whiner like them? There’s a difference:

I take personal action and encourage other men to do the same.

At the same time I was complaining that American girls are fat, I was blasting inside Polish girls with perfect bodies. I tell men how to sleep with such women.

At the same time I was whining about divorce rape, I was dating a Ukrainian girl who treated me like a king. I tell other men where to find women like her.

At the same time I complain that the American economy is in trouble, I was completing another book I knew my readers would like so that I could increase my income. I provide men with a forum that contains a lifestyle section to discuss money-making tips.

At the same time I was ranting against the Skrillex haircut, I was banging a Lithuanian girl whose hair belonged in a Vidal Sassoon shampoo commercial. I tell men how feminine women are like.

Instead of taking real action with their lives, MRPs are hoping the government will one day serve their interests and give them things that me and my readers are achieving on their own. I don’t need the government to pass laws against alimony. I simply won’t marry in the USA. I don’t need the government to pass laws promoting fair child custody laws. I won’t impregnate an America girl. I don’t need the government to increase punishment for false rape accusers. I’ll cover my own back. I don’t need the government to ban trans fat to lower the weight of the population. I’ll go to Poland. While they try to change the minds and culture of 310 million Americans with their WordPress blogs, I’ll be hitting on pretty girls in a Croatian bar. I’ll be living the life that I want instead of being entitled and waiting for the government to give it to me. In the same breath they call me a ***** beggar, they beg the government for protection from *****.

Last time I checked, the government is not forcing me to interact with American girls. They are not forcing me to live in Washington DC. I can improve my station any way I want. The reason is because I’m from the mother****ing United States of America. If I can’t figure out how to improve my appearance, learn some game, make some money from an internet side business, travel abroad to **** women, and find happiness in the world, then no one can. I don’t need the American government to look after my interests, because I can chase after my own. Instead of listening to Paul Elam tell me that men are getting ****ed, I will step out of the house and find a girl who wants to get ****ed by me.

am i missing something?

*waits for more name calling from feminst guys I mean MRM Guys*



EDIT:10 post limit

lol @ you saying Roosh is part of MRM when he disses them

Mens rights has become a euphemism for sexual loser

Mens rights movement is dead

erm ok bro, strong female logic in this one, must be the user name....

More name calling from Danger suprirse suprirse

I'm done with the forum

FOR THE LURKERS HERE IS THE TRUTH OF THE GAY RIGHTS MOVEMENT I MEAN MEN'RS RIGHTS

We Come Not to Praise the Men’s Rights Movement, But to Bury It

The Men’s Rights Movement Is Dead

Time to Move beyond MGTOW by Pook (epic!!!)

MGTOW from a black mans prespective

^^Danger has yet to refute the links I've posted agian and again and again. This is why I'm repeating myself why make the same arguments when my fellow peers have made this point more elquently then I?

Not once have I mentioned race in this thread....but why bother when I address this issue in the other thread and Danger ignored my quotes that BB broke it down to a science, even Down Low mentioned this but alas why beat a dad horse? These guys are suppose to help men yet their quick to call other men maginas, white knights etc and these are the guys that are suppose to help afc's and other men? FOH!

since Danger loves rhetoric and Bullet points he should have fun breaking it down but he can't even Danger's "logic" fails agaisnt the undeniable truth......

and truth hurts thats why A-cup and Danger are so rustled

see you in 6 months!!!

 

[( . )( . )]

am i missing something?

Yep, Roosh also made posts: The Hypocrisy Of American Feminism and 7 Ways Feminism Is Destroying American Women etc etc.

So your "go to" example is pretty much null and void. Roosh IS mens rights, along with all the other heavy hitting red pill blogs.

 

[Warrior74]

Hey guys. This wasn't meant to start a new flame war. It was just a blatant example right in my face on video. Now I don't know if this guy is a good guy or not, but I don't think it's right how he was treated. I'm sure we all agree on that.

We also agree that he was stupid as well. Doing drugs on parole. Cheating on his wife. Going back to his wife and continuing to cheat. Yah. Dumb ass. The only good news for this guy is that neither one of them have kids, so he won't get completely hosed.

Oh she was already putting in the groundwork on keeping the house. She told the police officer that her grandfather gave her the money to buy the house. You can guess the implication she's making there despite his name being on the mortgage too.

The smartest thing this guy did was not to say a word to the cops. He said he didn't try to tell his side, he didn't resist, he didn't argue, he just waited for his lawyer.

Anyway I just posted it as a real life example of what can happen out there. Not to be fodder in the wars. If him learning more about his rights helps him cope then that's a good thing. Most of us here didn't learn about this place or anything until we had hit the bottom. Maybe it will cushion his fall. Maybe he'll read stories from other men who had lawyers that did something different. I don't know. The guy looked pretty beat down and I think he knows he has himself to blame for it.

 

[Down Low]

It's this sort of stuff that makes me think about going into paralegal work. I mean, if I could teach myself enough law to help two friends with their lawsuits, I could make myself useful in a men's legal center.

 

[SecondHalf]

Googled mens rights for the first time.
Thank you!

Shocking story.

My solution (hopefully) - date only the financially independent, only classy.

EDIT: watched a few vids...
In Britain, it's not automatic to have duel parenting? Really???? Wow, that is appalling!! I'm happy to be a canuck!

SH

 

[AW1983]

Honestly man, everyone in this thread, and the forum in general, needs to chill the fvck out on this sh1t.

And Danger, I've read your posts ever since I've been on here, and I usually respect your input...but come on: ad hominem attacks on dude's taste in women? That's beneath us as DJ's. Solomon's out there doing it, and posting field reports - I got respect for that.

(Unless you want to level the playing field and post pics of your nightly lay? )

 

[Burroughs]

Honestly man, everyone in this thread, and the forum in general, needs to chill the fvck out on this sh1t.

Umm no

If you can't handle truth you are free to stop posting or reading

 

[AW1983]

Umm no

If you can't handle truth you are free to stop posting or reading

Let me clarify. I'm talking about the flaming, bashing, ad hominem attacks, etc, etc, when it comes to MRA issues. It reminds me of catty female behavior, and again - it really should be beneath us. The issues are pertinent, I'll be the first one to agree, but if someone disagrees then so be it. If it's the MRA's goal to grow and catalyze real change, I very much doubt it will be accomplished by these petty skirmishes. It's hard to visualize the founding fathers were standing around in the Continental Congress calling each others wives fat or slinging dirt.

“The most important tactic in an argument next to being right is to leave an escape hatch for your opponent so that he can gracefully swing over to your side without an embarrassing loss of face.”
― Stephen Jay Gould

 

[Jitterbug]

As far as credibility, the guy said black males don't have the problem of false accusations. Honestly, what reasonable man could make a statement like that?

Black males were the number one targets of false rape accusations back in the days down South, if Solomon remembered American history. In fact, it was the main way that got them lynched. White people even made To Kill A Mockingbird (suggested watching for Solomon if he keeps forgetting what his ancestors went through) to reflect on that horrific period.

 

[AW1983]

Alpha,

He earned those when he started in on the attacks first, so give *credit* where it is due. Seriously, who do you think is instigating these skirmishes? He throws grenades into threads, doesn't respond to facts and just calls names.

Fair enough man, but notice I said:

everyone in this thread, and the forum in general

Jumping in a thread just to sh!t all over it (instead of engaging in rational discourse) is just as bad as the ad hominem stuff.

Personally, I don't even bother with the other forums on this site because I'd rather have some intelligent discussion with Men who possess more acquired wisdom than myself. This place did a lot to open my eyes when I stumbled across it and I'm grateful for that. I suppose I feel obligated, as part of my appreciation, to help keep a beneficial atmosphere here for all the new guys filtering in.

If I'm at a bar and I see two men disagreeing and they engage in a civilized debate about the subject and both present their points coherently and sans smearing, it'll have a much greater impact on the myself and the rest of the audience, than if I just see them resort to fists. At which point everyone is thinking "just another couple of drunk dumbasses". I believe many of the posters here are above average in terms of intellect, perception, and wisdom. That being one of the main reasons I frequent this site and not many others. All of us are all too familiar with the "shrieking" that females default too when sh!t gets too heavy. Let us not resort to that. And since I'm feeling quotational today:

“He who cannot put his thoughts on ice should not enter into the heat of dispute.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

Stay icy gentlemen.

 

[Solomon]

see u suckers in 6 months

Honestly man, everyone in this thread, and the forum in general, needs to chill the fvck out on this sh1t.

And Danger, I've read your posts ever since I've been on here, and I usually respect your input...but come on: ad hominem attacks on dude's taste in women? That's beneath us as DJ's. Solomon's out there doing it, and posting field reports - I got respect for that.

(Unless you want to level the playing field and post pics of your nightly lay? )

First I will say this, when I met with Matt Forney and while I knew he wasn't the type of guy I usually would chill with I was open minded enough and surprisingly we agreed on MRM!!

One thing I learned in debate class is when people start bringing in other stuff in an argument then usually it means they lost so their reaching for more. Guys in the other thread posted pics of women I dealt with calling them names, I was called a white knight, feminists etc. In this thread my blog was insulted and as was the women I prefer etc etc. Are these behaviors of real men? and then you guys wonder why Pook call you the male version of feminist cause MRM guys are no different what so ever and these last two days have proved it

But honestly I'm not mad it just goes to show that the stereotypes of MGTOW guys being angry is true. At the end of day I always prided myself on being able to face challenges in life head on!

On the topic of black men and rape, once again I feel like a broken record repating myself. No one is disputing that men don't get shyted on or falsely accuse, divorce etc. That was never my argument. My argument was that MRM aren't speaking for the black men just white guys and thats why everyone got their panties so rustled cause they know it's true!. I don't see MRM guys on black game sites, or black anti-feminist blogs. The only reason I even heard of MRM is cause of this forum and manosphere blogs. These guys have been around for over 30 years (sorry Danger but its been more then 6 I've done my research mate!!) what guys like BB and I are saying is to continue to become the best DJ you can be. Screen the women you deal with. Basically Self-Improve so that you can be the king of your ship! You can't call yourself a movement yet you're not pro-active and taking a passive aggressive approach. if the Civil rights movement did that Obama wouldn't be in office right now. I'm pretty sure I might not even be on this site cause I would still be fighting for "rights"

Fair enough man, but notice I said:



Jumping in a thread just to sh!t all over it (instead of engaging in rational discourse) is just as bad as the ad hominem stuff.

Personally, I don't even bother with the other forums on this site because I'd rather have some intelligent discussion with Men who possess more acquired wisdom than myself. This place did a lot to open my eyes when I stumbled across it and I'm grateful for that. I suppose I feel obligated, as part of my appreciation, to help keep a beneficial atmosphere here for all the new guys filtering in.

If I'm at a bar and I see two men disagreeing and they engage in a civilized debate about the subject and both present their points coherently and sans smearing, it'll have a much greater impact on the myself and the rest of the audience, than if I just see them resort to fists. At which point everyone is thinking "just another couple of drunk dumbasses". I believe many of the posters here are above average in terms of intellect, perception, and wisdom. That being one of the main reasons I frequent this site and not many others. All of us are all too familiar with the "shrieking" that females default too when sh!t gets too heavy. Let us not resort to that. And since I'm feeling quotational today:

“He who cannot put his thoughts on ice should not enter into the heat of dispute.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

Stay icy gentlemen.

agreed and with that being said I will go on another 6 months hiatus from this site like I usually do. Since Jophill has died this site has gone downhill times 2, even RSD is further ahead now then SS , in the mean time I will just chill on my blog which I update on a weekly basis and will post more pics of "Land Whales"<<<That's for you mr whiskey

peaceeeeeee ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuut

 

[Aristippus]

Back to the original topic:

When you're dealing with a system where the game is rigged AGAINST you, the last thing you need to do is make stupid mistakes. Going back to her might have been a stupid mistake, unless he was going to use the fact that she took him back as possible "proof" that he in fact DIDN'T hit her and that she didn't feel like he was a threat. Then while going back to live with her, use the fact that they are back together as a way to buy himself some time while he plans his timely exit in secret while also seeking legal counsel.

Stupid mistake number 2? Not putting things on hold with the other woman until he could get everything straight and resolved. Anyway, it's bad enough when the system is rigged to screw you over. It's worse when you are stupid and do dumb things to screw yourself over while also dealing with a rigged system.

By the way, did these a$$holes even bother to fingerprint the drugs she planted in his car? I seriously doubt it. I would suggest that if someone ever tries to pull that kind of garbage, you INSIST that they take prints from it. It would appear VERY suspicious if they dusted the bags for prints and only her fingerprints showed up on them.

 

[Bokanovsky]

And Danger, I've read your posts ever since I've been on here, and I usually respect your input...but come on: ad hominem attacks on dude's taste in women? That's beneath us as DJ's. Solomon's out there doing it, and posting field reports - I got respect for that.

Have you read any of Solomon's recent posts? There are few people here who are more insulting and disrespectful to other posters.

 

[evan12]

Agreed. Gentlemen, if I could give you $50,000 worth of legal advice* it would be to NOT SAY ANYTHING TO THE FVCKING COPS WHEN THEY COME TO SEE YOU. If they ask you what happened, do not tell them you hit your wife first. For domestic assault situations, they are there to arrest somebody. Cops are starting to take a zero tolerance policy in domestic situations, so someone is going to go to jail. Guys sink themselves most when they confess, and cops think of all kinds of tricky ways to get it out of you.

The guy did well. He didn`t say anything, and hopefully we can all learn from this. If he has a really good criminal lawyer, the lawyer will use the fact that the wife took him back as evidence that he didnt really hit her, and he can use this as a seed to plant a bit of doubt into the judge or jury's mind that she may indeed have planted the drugs.

But he'll probably plead down, which really sucks if what he's saying is true.

That money probably won't be recoverable either, if it was taken from a joint account.

What a fvcking b*tch. He did good going back to her (in a way) as this could have solved some of his criminal problems. But letting the wife find out about the other girl again? This guy will keep making stupid mistakes like this till he learns the valuable lesson of avoiding getting into trouble in the first place.

*this is not meant to be taken as specific legal advice only general information

I think a lot of guys go to jail because they don't hire a lawyer and just depend on police investigation in domestic violence and rape cases

 

[zekko]

I don't understand the idea that feminine bias in the legal system is only aimed toward whites. Seriously, I find this idea completely bewildering.

Maybe the average MRM guy is a whiner. And I firmly believe that you should improve yourself and make the best of the situation as it is, because the chances of changing it are slim. But I don't see how any man here can be against spreading awareness of the anti-male bias in the legal system. Just being aware can help you avoid at least some of the problems associated with it.