"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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A few dates ... 'how about kids?!'

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I met a girl recently - friends of friends - 39 yrs old and good fun. She's older than the girls I normally date and it's interesting to see how she behaves.

So far we've had a handful of dates over a month. She's quite physical but I'm the one ending up naked while she keeps her clothes on - no sex yet (just bj's).

It's interesting to see her behaviour - she's talking about kids and marriage after a few dates (and no se-x)! She'll be 40 soon and hasn't been married or had kids yet.

I find it remarkable that she's trying to lock me down like this - it's not that I'm surprised, it's just interesting to observe and watch her manoevering.

Another thing - she doesn't want se-x with condoms - she wants me to get tested and then we can have se-x.... she also let slip that 'if you want me to take the pill then I will...'.

So.... not really asking for any advice as I can see where this is heading but just wanted to share my experience.

I'm out of town for a few weeks so won't see her - it'll be interesting to see how she reacts.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I met a girl recently - friends of friends - 39 yrs old and good fun. She's older than the girls I normally date and it's interesting to see how she behaves.

So far we've had a handful of dates over a month. She's quite physical but I'm the one ending up naked while she keeps her clothes on - no sex yet (just bj's).

It's interesting to see her behaviour - she's talking about kids and marriage after a few dates (and no se-x)! She'll be 40 soon and hasn't been married or had kids yet.

I find it remarkable that she's trying to lock me down like this - it's not that I'm surprised, it's just interesting to observe and watch her manoevering.

Another thing - she doesn't want se-x with condoms - she wants me to get tested and then we can have se-x.... she also let slip that 'if you want me to take the pill then I will...'.

So.... not really asking for any advice as I can see where this is heading but just wanted to share my experience.

I'm out of town for a few weeks so won't see her - it'll be interesting to see how she reacts.
You're 41 and she's 39 and no sex yet even though she's given you head? so she said "no" to actual sex.....

I smell a control freak

Put one foot out of the door now....
 

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So far we've had a handful of dates over a month. She's quite physical but I'm the one ending up naked while she keeps her clothes on - no sex yet (just bj's).
This is a problem. When I'm doing foreplay especially for the first time, the scores have to be about even. If I'm removing some article of clothing, so does she. If that's not happening, then I'm not removing any more of my clothing and I slow things down. Things shouldn't be one-sided in the bedroom.

It's interesting to see her behaviour - she's talking about kids and marriage after a few dates (and no se-x)! She'll be 40 soon and hasn't been married or had kids yet.
She's looking for a sperm donor and a source of money to support the children. She's testing you to see if you qualify. Don't expect her to stick around if you tell her you don't want kids.

Another thing - she doesn't want se-x with condoms - she wants me to get tested and then we can have se-x.... she also let slip that 'if you want me to take the pill then I will...'.
...and she won't have a problem forgetting to take the pill.

You'd better think long and hard about this broad. A request for no condoms and leaving the birth control in her hands??? She's got her recipe planned for pregnancy.

If you're desperate to be a father and are eager to subscribe to 18 years of child support payments, then this is the woman for you. If you don't want to become financially screwed, then you'd better fvcking run like hell.
 

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it takes 25 years to properly raise a kid, not 18. kid fresh out of high school is helpless in this economy. they BARELY have a chance with a GOOD bachelor's degree, like nursing. Basically, it takes at least a master's degree and a couple of year's experience, to be ready to raise their OWN kids. THATS when your job is done as a parent, (and not a second sooner). When your kid has a realiable 150k per year job (in today's money, 400k by the time he's 25) THEN you've done your job as a parent
 

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it takes 25 years to properly raise a kid, not 18. kid fresh out of high school is helpless in this economy. they BARELY have a chance with a GOOD bachelor's degree, like nursing. Basically, it takes at least a master's degree and a couple of year's experience, to be ready to raise their OWN kids. THATS when your job is done as a parent, (and not a second sooner). When your kid has a realiable 150k per year job (in today's money, 400k by the time he's 25) THEN you've done your job as a parent
The median income for a household is no more then 60k. That's unrealistic.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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so wtf says that "median" is doing a good job, hmm? look at the definition of "parenting". it is "raising one's offspring until they are able to carry on one's line". 60k aint carrying on anything but POVERTY and FAILURE,. dude, Not for a family of 4. it's barely enough for a single guy to be saving a bit for retirement
 

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A single guy can live good off of 45k a year with no assistance from parents. If he has a family I better hope the wife is working. What I'm telling you though is it's unlikely to assume your child is making 150k a year. What do you do and how much do you make?
 

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I can't watch this thread any longer! :eek: :cry: OP, don't even bother to put your pants back on, just run... run.. run! I would go fvck a pig on a farm before I ever put my d|ck in this woman.
 

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This gal is not DJ male material. When you come back from vacation she will have another sperm donor in her sites. Let him have her.
You can do better...this one is a trap. No actual sex now, just think what the future will bring!
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Although it begins to decline at about 30, at age 40 the dropoff in female fertility starts to become exponential. At 45 it will hit zero in almost all women.

38-40 y/o couples who are trying to have kids have to try for a median time of about a year and a half. So she will likely have to put in a lot of work with whoever she traps, and even then it may not be a sure thing that she'll get a kid out of it.
 

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As I said - I know what she's doing and where she wants this to go - I guess I let it run for a few weeks too long just out of curiosity.

It was more to bring attention to the dangers of women like this.

I've made a sprint for the door now. Exit.
 
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