7-8's in comaprison to 9's and 10's

[ricorico]

It seems everyone wants those 9's and 10's. How many HB9's and 10's have great personalities PLUS don't care about money or looks? Personally, I think a majority of 9's and 10's are a little messed up and have personality flaws. A minority have both looks and personality.

Now there are many more 7's and 8's with both looks and personality.

Would most of you guys preffer to be with a 10,even if she was a ***** and high maintenance? Or a 7-or 8 with a great personality? In other words what is really more important? Her looks,personality or overall package??

 

[Obsidian]

Many good-looking girls have b1tchy or boring personalities. The reason is that their lives have never given them much incentive to develop a strong personality. Everyone appreciated their looks so much that they got plenty of attention already. (In contrast, consider an AFC who doesn't get much female attention. Then he stumbles upon sosuave.com and forces himself to improve his personality.)

In economics, they say that there's no such thing as a free lunch. That is somewhat true with HBs also. The HB7s will try to develop good personalities to make up for their imperfect looks. The HB10s usually won't. And if, by chance, an HB10 does have a good personality, another guy will most likely snatch her up before you find her.

On the other hand, UGs can sometimes have really great personalities and sometimes have really bad ones. With them, it's kind of a toss-up. The good personalities attempt to make up for bad looks; the b1tchy personalities are a response to abuse from superficial guys.

 

[jamescr73]

I would take a 7 or 8 with a great personality over a 9 or 10 with no personality any day. Of course every guy wants a 9 or 10, but in reality most of them are so stuck up, they arent even worth having. Ive dated girls that are 9's, cant ever say ive had a 10 because personally I dont believe they exist because there is no such thing as perfection, but Ive had a lot better relationships with 7's and 8s than with the 9's.

 

[L777]

Where are you getting this info from man? The best looking girls are the nicest imo. They have fewer insecurities and less need to be b.itchy than their less attractive friends. Having said that, I think the whole rating thing is bollox.

Certain PUA's giving different advice for 10s than for 8s....wtf? These girls don't have labels on their heads...they're just girls, who knows what they consider themselves to be in terms of attractiveness? Game all girls the same and be unaffected by looks!!

 

[jamescr73]

yea i have noticed that you have to game a 10 (or 9.9 i call them), different than an 8. Sometimes if you bust on an 8 the wrong way, she'll get pissed and bounce. A 9.9 will eat it up all night.

 

[ricorico]

ok,

How many here have gotten a 9 or 10 with the great personality and kept her? Care to post a pic as I think it's easy to say someone is a 9 or 10 but they are hard to find. I live in Los Angeles which is a mecca for beautiful girls to come and I rarely see a 9 or 10. Even rarer one who does'nt put money as the ultimate reason they date a guy.

PUA's aren't getting true 9's and 10's. If the girls they approach are any indication of the caliber they get, I say at best I've seen 8's. Can anyone who thinks PUA's can get anyone post a pic of one with a girlfriend who is a 9 or 10? Not someone they tried to pick up but a girlfriend or fiance.Please don't post Neil Straus's ex from "Hole" I personally think she's an 8 at best and probably a 7 after you've spoken to her.

 

[mintxx]

What the?
5 is average/doable, 9s and some 8s don't need to work and you won't meet them unless you run a club or limo service. If I'm seeing a 6 I get comments that she's cute, 7 that she's hot. There are half a dozen 8s at my university of 50,000 people. 7s will never need to make up for any 'imperfections' because they will get hit on every day.
Don't talk it up, be realistic. Your girlfriend is a 9 if you have never seen anything hotter in the flesh and she models for Calvin Klein, not if she's just a normal weight, turns heads, and wears tight jeans with Gucci sunglasses. Those girls are a dime a dozen and quite gettable.
'hb8s' (I assume hb means 'hot b!tch' or similar) have 'imperfections' that only a Harpers photographer would take issue with.

Rating chicks is stupid anyway. Most chumps will ignore symmetry, muscle tone, perkiness, properly proportioned facial features etc if she's flaunting it a bit, kind of like going after a tricked out Corolla rather than a stock M3. If you've had an 8, no way you'd ever need to use this website for anything in your life. Jesus Christ.

 

[\O/]

What the?
5 is average/doable, 9s and some 8s don't need to work and you won't meet them unless you run a club or limo service. If I'm seeing a 6 I get comments that she's cute, 7 that she's hot. There are half a dozen 8s at my university of 50,000 people. 7s will never need to make up for any 'imperfections' because they will get hit on every day.
Don't talk it up, be realistic. Your girlfriend is a 9 if you have never seen anything hotter in the flesh and she models for Calvin Klein, not if she's just a normal weight, turns heads, and wears tight jeans with Gucci sunglasses. Those girls are a dime a dozen and quite gettable.
'hb8s' (I assume hb means 'hot b!tch' or similar) have 'imperfections' that only a Harpers photographer would take issue with.

Rating chicks is stupid anyway. Most chumps will ignore symmetry, muscle tone, perkiness, properly proportioned facial features etc if she's flaunting it a bit, kind of like going after a tricked out Corolla rather than a stock M3. If you've had an 8, no way you'd ever need to use this website for anything in your life. Jesus Christ.

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[mintxx]

this retarded chump rating system is from 1 to 10, right?

1: obese and facially deformed
2: fat and fairly ugly
3: fat but cute, or smashed up face and normal body
4: some imperfections and extra pounds
5: average girl, normal weight, can be fvckable when she tries, and she needs to try if she's surrounded by 6's and a 7 or two.
6: considered cute, hit on now and again, will get called 'hb9' by chumps when she dons the hipsters and lipstick. will possibly need to have a personality.
7: considered hot, hit on almost every day, natural beauty, wife material for someone who has their pick
8: hottest girl you will see in the flesh unless you drive a limo, this is the girl you bone on the side and do coke with, if you own a club
9: doesn't need a job
10: doesn't exist without an airbrush

In my experience, when chumps say 'you have to game a 10 (or 9.9 i call them)', they mean a 7, i.e. a girl who can afford to have the attitude. You can't game an 8.
Rating girls is stupid anyway, most chumps will go for the tricked out Corolla (5 or 6), call it a 'hb9.9', rather than the stock M3 (8). Then I guess in a country that has a lot of fat people who need sun and exercise, you take what you can get.

 

[mintxx]

What the, thought my first post was deleted. Oh well, double the lovin. mintxx out.

 

[mintxx]

By the way, using my rating system above will help you stop putting girls on pedestals. So you're actually talking to a 5 or 6. You should get the mentality that these girls are everywhere and you should fvck them for breakfast lunch and tea, Stella McCartney boots or not.

 

[ricorico]

This to me is a girl who rates a solid 9.5. You rarely see that sort of beauty anywhere, but if you do, you know she's not impressed with the likes of Mystery or any other PUA because all sorts of Alpha males with MEGAbucks are available to her.

http://medivia.sele.it/fototeca/Coralli/Ornellamuti.jpg


http://www.le-papier-a-gaumet.com/stars/images/ornella_muti.jpg

http://digilander.libero.it/sguincio1/images/large/ornella_muti/muti03.jpg



http://www.celebritypicturesarchive.com/pics/o/ornella-muti/ornella-muti-006.jpg

 

[danielzxc]

rico, she's striking, but not my type at all. Also, it depends on her height and her body how high I'd rate her.

I agree that most guys hugely overrate chicks. You prety much never get agreement with another guy on what a chick rates anyway, so the whole thing is kind of a waste of time. However, for your own purposes, I suppose it's okay to keep track of how you rate chicks.

It's also silly to say 10s don't exist because "there's no such thing as perfection". There doesn't NEED to be "perfection" to rate someone a 10. It just means the highest possible rated chick. So they DO exist.

To me, these 10s are like the Victoria Secrets and SI swimsuit calibre babes. Face, body and height.

Mintx makes a good point that the vast majority of "hot" chicks you see daily are really only slightly above average. And yeah, I too would call the hottest ones you see out of these 7s.

REAL 8s are pretty damn rare, and I would say the large majority would be pretty immune to the sort of "gaming" this site teaches -- where the ONLY things that matter (or that matter MOST) are what comes out of your mouth, not your face, your body, your status or your wealth, which, imo, just doesn't jive with reality.

9s are the kind of chick I see maybe a couple times a year on the streets. Saw one last week.. forget about it... the face, height, fashion sense...turned EVERYONE'S head as she walked... just a whole 'nother level above...and the sosuave 35" gut baldy in khakis thinks he's gonna game her with "who lies more?", rofl

10s, forget about it. The average dude will see one 0 to 3 times in a lifetime.

 

[ricorico]

Is'nt it funny how everyone has different taste? I have had friends tell me about the HB they are dating only to meet her and wonder if they need eye exams.The good thing is as long as she is attractive to you,and you to her that's all that should matter.

 

[Obsidian]

Mintx makes a good point that the vast majority of "hot" chicks you see daily are really only slightly above average. And yeah, I too would call the hottest ones you see out of these 7s.

That's because mintx mischaracterized the rating system. HB5 isn't average; HB5 just means "doable, not particularly attractive but not really unattractive either; neutral." Among a population of youthful girls, I'd say the average is generally somewhere around seven. Translation: About half of (young) girls are quite f*ckable. Saying there's no such thing as a 10 is kinda stupid, imo. An HB 10 is someone with good proportions, nice facial features, no significant skin defects, etc.

And it is not at all true that the hottest girls are the nicest. Girls who have been spoiled all their lives are just as likely turn out bratty as they are to turn out nice.

 

[Alphamale1821]

I personally am not against the rating system but in all reality it's YOUR opinion. No one should be trying to prove their system is fact unless your trying to live by some "code" that all pua's go by. Which is really kind of stupid but hey whatever makes your happy.

rico,
REAL 8s are pretty damn rare, and I would say the large majority would be pretty immune to the sort of "gaming" this site teaches -- where the ONLY things that matter (or that matter MOST) are what comes out of your mouth, not your face, your body, your status or your wealth, which, imo, just doesn't jive with reality.
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Well I must say yes you are right that this site does provide the basic formula to attracting women and all that good ****, But any true Alpha male knows that in reality to attract those "high status" women they have to be "high status" men. Sure having confidence is the key but with these hotter girls it's obvious that you need to be better then the other thousand of confident guys. So in reality you can still game these women up with the same technique that comes from your mouth, but also wealth, your face and body are also factors that are naturally seen in your confidence where you are automatically chosen over that other guy who was just confident.

The bottom line is just go for whatever girl you are attracted to. Whether she's a hb8 or a hb9 or whatever go for what you want and when you get tired of dating a certain caliber of women then go to the high women assuming you have the "Status" to do so. If you aren't on that level then do what you can to date/fvck those women. Any person who is a real Don Juan knows that it takes more then just smooth words to attract the best of the best.

 

[Randallpink83]

man I don't know where you all live but it seems like no one wants to admit that 10's aren't so rare.
I live near Scottsdale, AZ and near by ASU... 7-8's and 9's are the norm, but every club, bar in the hot spots will always have at least a few 10's. The 9's here in my humble opinion are very approachable... Very few 10's I have even approached but so far no luck, they usually all taken already, or they are there because they are getting paid to be there it seems.... But one of these days!!
Oh and by the way, yes I would prefer a cool hot chick rather then a *****y Perfect Beauty.

 

[mintxx]

I think this all demonstrates why rating chicks is stupid. Do you define average as mean or median? Most frequently occuring in the wild, or halfway between best and worst? Neither attractive nor unattractive? Clearly different people find different things attractive. Do you line up a sample population from left to right by looks, divide them into 10 equal groups, and give them each a label? Do you work from some abstract blueprint of what you think perfection is?

Basically, I think this: if you're going to rate something out of 10, you accept that 10 means there is no higher rating possible, 0 means no lower is possible. Beyond this, the method is impossible without being subjective. You can't work from what is most popular, most common, halfway between the two, nothing. None of them break down to any sense.

As an example, the chic linked to above, to me, is about a 7.5. Why? Because I can easily think of girls I know in person who leave her for dead. Yet, this is relative, and it is impossible for me to point out to you what is wrong with her beyond my personal preference. I think that by definition, 5's are the most common, because when you think about it, if 7's are the most common, then they become 5's in your eyes. So this Ornella chic rates a 7.5 because she is a rare beauty, and 7.5 is actually a high rating.

SO like I say, no answer to this. Rating women puts them on a pedestal and encourages men to overlook their personal flaws or good points, and put up with sh!t because of someone else's opinion. If it turns you on, it turns you on. No point telling someone else to elevate a chic to the clouds because she's nice, doable and no flaws.

 

[backbreaker]

you know what...

the longer I stick around here.. better yet, the older I get, the ole 1-10 scale really doesn't get used (by me) anymore. It's really as simple as is she easy on the eyes or is she not. it doesn't matter if one woman might have bigger tits than the other, I don't treat her differently. That's why I think alot of guys you don't see them with bombshell wives or whatnot, not because they couldn't GET them, but because... if you think your wife is hot, hot is hot. there is no degree in hotness, she is either hot or not. Also, the older I get, there are more important..okay not MORE important, but other important issues besides being easy on the eyes

 

[Obsidian]

you can arbitrarily set 5 as being the mean score if you want, but I'm just saying that that's not how most guys do it. Your truly average girl is fairly attractive. The main problem with a lot of girls is just that they're fat or old. But if you just take a population of college-age girls, for example, most of them have figured out that being fat isn't the way to go. So the average girl in a youthful population will probably rank somewhere between 6.0 and 7.5

Basically, the average girl is an HB. Number her however you want.

And yes, I'd go for one of these down-to-earth average girls over an HB10 b1tch any day. The HB10s aren't all b1tchy, but they're usually not particularly interesting either. A lot of above-average-looking girls take advantage of their beauty and just maintain BORING personalities.