"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Ok so that means you are in Latinoman!

Dont worry none us are going to take this book literally. We want to see what we can get out of it as opposed to what is irrelevent.

Anymore?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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The laws are a rather shrewd way of dealing with people, but if you're a chronic nice guy or dealing with oneitis than it's a hell of an experience to apply in self-growth. You can see how I applied the 48laws in a few pages back on this thread...

I agree with Latinoman, the book won't really make a whole lot of sense if you haven't matured or experienced much of the real world yet, but if you have than you can view your experience with greater wisdom/intuition of other people's motives.

Count me in the study.
 

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Jayer said:
Ok so that means you are in Latinoman!

Dont worry none us are going to take this book literally. We want to see what we can get out of it as opposed to what is irrelevent.

Anymore?
I'm going to order both books. No doubt. As I was reading (in a book store) a little bit of both and I like what I saw.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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callmemister said:
could you please,explain the difference.

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Manipulation vs. Influence.


This is my personal definition. When you manipulate somebody…you are cunningly trying to get somebody to do something that he/she might not do under more straight forward circumstances.

However, when you “influence” a person. You are actually convincing that person that doing something to you is of the best interest to him or the team or society or his family or etc.

With one you have to be in a way deceitful and we the other you are straight forward.

Anyone can get somebody to do something if you b.s. (manipulate) your way into that. But, it takes true skills, command of respect (e.g. getting others to respect you), great reputation, and leadership (e.g. alpha maleness) to influence somebody into doing something for you on his/her own accord.

Now…I admit that some level of “manipulation” is sometimes necessary in life in order to deal with difficult people and even to have full control of our environment.

However, relying solely on manipulation is a sure recipe into becoming a con man.

Jim Jones (sect leader in Guyana that manipulated thousands into drinking cyanide) was a manipulator. Muhammad Gandhi was an influencer.

People like Clinton, Reagan, Roosevelt, Kennedy, Truman, Churchill, etc. were leaders that influenced but had a little manipulation skills too (as everybody should), as all of them had to deal with difficult people.
 

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Latinoman said:
All that said..."manipulation" skills are NOT a good thing to learn. Rather learn how to "influence" people.
I think there is no real differences just that the former has negative connotations...but based on the definition you gave I think that seduction falls somewhere in the middle of the two
 

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Just purchased the 33 Strategies of War. The book might help in this category as well.
 

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Ok roll call:

Jayer (me)
White Sox Bill
Microphone Fiend
Black Jackal
Latinoman


Anyone else? I want to make sure we get everyone before we start this. I tihnk we will all learn a lot from this.
 

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I'll join, i have the 48 Laws of Power, but haven't had time to read it till now. Looks like a good read. Count me in.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Jayer said:
Ok roll call:

Jayer (me)
White Sox Bill
Microphone Fiend
Black Jackal
Latinoman


Anyone else? I want to make sure we get everyone before we start this. I tihnk we will all learn a lot from this.

Oh just great...looks like I represent the geriatric group!!:) Hope I can stay awake for all of this!:cheer:
 

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So what section is this going in? Or is staying in the Anything Else forum?
 
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Guys, if you enjoyed The Art of Seduction, and importantly if you were able to comprehend the material and grasp the underlying principles of seduction, I would recommend that you get hold of the primary sources that Rob Greene was influenced by. For example:

The Seducers Diary by Soren Kierkgaard
The Tale of Genji by Lady Murasaki
The letters of Ninon De Lenclos, which can be read here: http://aelliott.com/reading/ninon/letters_mds/index.htm

He cites a wide variety of different sources throughout the text and reading these will give you an even greater appreciation of the art of seduction.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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March 1 sounds good. I'll help as much as I have time. And I'll imply insight from all 3 books as long as it's relevant.
 

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March 1 sounds good. I'll help as much as I have time. And I'll imply insight from all 3 books as long as it's relevant.
How do you Greene's newest? Can a lot of it be applied to women?
 

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How do you Greene's newest? Can a lot of it be applied to women?
Actually it can, if not, better than the Art of Seduction. But then again, you can apply warfare to life as a whole, hence my sig.:cool: But I'm helping for the sake of thinking beyond women, but it will apply. Speaking of which, there are plenty of women reading these books as well. Fine ones too..lol.
 

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Hey I know I havent posted in a while my life has been a little hectic. Im actually goin on vacation for about a month to europe but I can definitely start after i get back. I know u all wanted to start March 1st.. maybe if we wait a little longer and bump up the thread we can get some more involved. I apologize for this but when i come back im going to have a lot better presepctive.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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