Reyaj
Master Don Juan
This is from The Art of Seduction, not 48 laws...
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
48 Laws Of Power & The Art Of Seduction
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
BlackJackal
Master Don Juan
Both books are a good read. I've been reading both books for over 2 yeasr so far, and I plan on getting 33 strategies of war.
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Lets hear some examples on how we've applied them though 
BlackJackal
Master Don Juan
Well as far as applying anything in the book goes, I really just try to get a better understanding on what kind of seducer I am, what kind of victim of seduction I am, and what anti-seductive qualities I posses. I'm more of a Rake according to that book, so I try to get a better understanding about being a rake in that book.
I'm not and extreme rake since I have similar qualities of the charmer etc. Even though the tactics that are used in the book out dated, the principles are still the same. You just have to apply those principles to todays' way of doing things.
I'm not and extreme rake since I have similar qualities of the charmer etc. Even though the tactics that are used in the book out dated, the principles are still the same. You just have to apply those principles to todays' way of doing things.
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
BlackJackal... very true.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
The one thing I am finding that I don't like in this book is that Greene seems to recommend giving your targer a lot of attention.
There are a few chapters I just read where he says you should be around your target as much as possible in the early going.... and a chapter before that he says you should put a lot of effort into giving them gifts....
Need some expert DJ opinions on how credible this advice is being that a lot of DJ's say less attention is better, and that a woman will take you for granted if you give her too much attention.
There are a few chapters I just read where he says you should be around your target as much as possible in the early going.... and a chapter before that he says you should put a lot of effort into giving them gifts....
Need some expert DJ opinions on how credible this advice is being that a lot of DJ's say less attention is better, and that a woman will take you for granted if you give her too much attention.
white sox bill
Senior Don Juan
Yea I thought same thing...take it with a grain of salt. Maybe pay them attention as long as your PHYSICALLY with them. If on a date, don't drool over the waitress, don't stare at another woman with lust etc.
I read AOS 4 yrs ago, and am rereading certain chapters of it now. I especially liked the chapters on Mixed signals, make the pursuee the pursuer, the anti seducer, the rake, stir anxiety. Good stuff. I remember chatting with someone who summed it up: Make her feel better after talking and/or being with you then she felt before.
I read AOS 4 yrs ago, and am rereading certain chapters of it now. I especially liked the chapters on Mixed signals, make the pursuee the pursuer, the anti seducer, the rake, stir anxiety. Good stuff. I remember chatting with someone who summed it up: Make her feel better after talking and/or being with you then she felt before.
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
White Sox good way to sum it up
But does that mean you have to compliment her all the time and kiss her ass? Give me some examples of things you actually do?
But does that mean you have to compliment her all the time and kiss her ass? Give me some examples of things you actually do?
I remember coming across the pocket-size version of AoS, while in Thailand. Was totally engrossed in it. Seriously pimp sh!t.
I remember the ways in which I applied it, was mostly mentally playing up one of these characters qualities. I'm a rake if anything, but exhibit almost all the different character's qualities here and there.
So in application first and foremost I would find my mind, my approach and mental flavor in relating to be saturated in seductive allure. Mysterious, powerful, ambiguous, dangerous, etc. This aura alone will seduce and attract. So while interacting w. babydolls, in such a state... I would find myself playing up the certain qualities of any of these characters, in accordance to the moment.
I remember I had like 3 rings on, while in thailand. All sort of crazy, and this nutty belt. I can't remember which character plays the sort of adrogynous role, but some chick commented in this regard to me. And I found myself playing it up on her. Then shifting to other characters as the moment/interaction changed. Like a big chameleon of seduction... listening to the needs of the moment. lol... it was an excellent gear, and I very much enjoyed the art therof.
I have the full size version sitting on my shelf, and its been calling me for ages now. I'll have to peep it out... and saturate the seductive mind again.
The dark nature of seduction, vs. attraction is definetly gold to understand and be able to implement. Its game is wickedly alluring... and oh so enjoyable. In my experience... women drip for this sh!t. Thus all the goddamn dangerous love story adventures they read.
And as far as my character goes... I'll choose the Casanova pimp sh!t, over C/F anyday.
SuaveOn'
I remember the ways in which I applied it, was mostly mentally playing up one of these characters qualities. I'm a rake if anything, but exhibit almost all the different character's qualities here and there.
So in application first and foremost I would find my mind, my approach and mental flavor in relating to be saturated in seductive allure. Mysterious, powerful, ambiguous, dangerous, etc. This aura alone will seduce and attract. So while interacting w. babydolls, in such a state... I would find myself playing up the certain qualities of any of these characters, in accordance to the moment.
I remember I had like 3 rings on, while in thailand. All sort of crazy, and this nutty belt. I can't remember which character plays the sort of adrogynous role, but some chick commented in this regard to me. And I found myself playing it up on her. Then shifting to other characters as the moment/interaction changed. Like a big chameleon of seduction... listening to the needs of the moment. lol... it was an excellent gear, and I very much enjoyed the art therof.
I have the full size version sitting on my shelf, and its been calling me for ages now. I'll have to peep it out... and saturate the seductive mind again.
The dark nature of seduction, vs. attraction is definetly gold to understand and be able to implement. Its game is wickedly alluring... and oh so enjoyable. In my experience... women drip for this sh!t. Thus all the goddamn dangerous love story adventures they read.
And as far as my character goes... I'll choose the Casanova pimp sh!t, over C/F anyday.
SuaveOn'
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Good post Darklight!
It seems like most people form an association with the rake but end up using characteristics and actions of the other characters. According to the book, Cassanova was the hybrd seducer, thus using all of the above and appyling them when necessary.
You are so right being myserious, powerful, ambigous, and dangerous all work if you used correctly. Can you give me some tips on how I can accomplish this though without dressing like a drag queen? lol just kidding
I encourage you to read the book again DarKLight so that we can keep this post active and describe examples of how these theories actually do work.
You are so right. C & F is for amateur DJ's......
It seems like most people form an association with the rake but end up using characteristics and actions of the other characters. According to the book, Cassanova was the hybrd seducer, thus using all of the above and appyling them when necessary.
You are so right being myserious, powerful, ambigous, and dangerous all work if you used correctly. Can you give me some tips on how I can accomplish this though without dressing like a drag queen? lol just kidding
I encourage you to read the book again DarKLight so that we can keep this post active and describe examples of how these theories actually do work.
You are so right. C & F is for amateur DJ's......
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
I just read the part on how Rita Hayworth was courted by some arab guy. This guy basically flowered her with attention, but eventually she ended up with him.
It was the section on making her enter into "your world"
Easier said than done.
It was the section on making her enter into "your world"
Easier said than done.
white sox bill
Senior Don Juan
Jayer I personal train at my gym...now I'm working on someone 14 yrs my junior. At times, I'm harder than hell on her..rednecking her, busting her on her sh*t etc. Other times I'm sweet as pie. Get the contrast?Jayer said:White Sox good way to sum it up
But does that mean you have to compliment her all the time and kiss her ass? Give me some examples of things you actually do?
The other day before we began training, I said in Spanish: Hola lindo seniorita con benito ojos (with apologies for the broken Spanish!) She looked at me and wanted to know what I said. I told her it meant "Hello pretty girl with beutifull eyes" She almost melted there. I am always putting my arm around her almost buddy like, pullling her close to me. These days she returns the same. See how to create attraction? Then next minute I'm ragging on her about slacking or something
Agreed keep thread up and alive. Great book
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Devan and WhiteSox, thanks for posting!
Both of you are on the same track as far as mixing hot and cold, pain and pleasure, both sections from AOS!
I think some examples in this book are giving a woman too much attention yet I also know that if you don't do anything nothing will happen either. So its like you are saying you have to use a good combination of both...
Keep posting on here. I'd definitely like to hear about how you both are progressing with your current targets!
Both of you are on the same track as far as mixing hot and cold, pain and pleasure, both sections from AOS!
I think some examples in this book are giving a woman too much attention yet I also know that if you don't do anything nothing will happen either. So its like you are saying you have to use a good combination of both...
Keep posting on here. I'd definitely like to hear about how you both are progressing with your current targets!
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
almost done!
white sox bill
Senior Don Juan
Last week I finally got my foot in the door with current target. I had posted a thread last month about how she blew me off for first date, then I did same to her for the make up date. A classic case of seduction warfare. After I blew her off, she calls me 10 days later. We've been flirting ever since. I made out with her a few days ago. Not much, but a start. This one is gonna take time, a slow seduction. Will keep you guys posted!
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
White Sox is that an example of using absence or mixing pain with pleasure?
white sox bill
Senior Don Juan
Both...when I left a message on her VM telling her something came up and that I couldn't keep the date and that I couldn't keep my personal training date with her the following PM, I left her in soem pain. She thought "Huh, the nerve of him! How dare him!" The next night I saw her in bar parking lot talking on cell phone. I just waved and kept on walking to my Jeep.Jayer said:
I then used absence by not calling or showing up at gym to train her at our usual times. Then she calls me to resume training after more than a week, I had already nexted her!! LOL! I mentioned NOTHING about our foiled date from before (a lot of AFC's would have brought that up BTW). Notice how I didn't shed any light or importance on this? I'm sure I gained some points there!!
This gal wants me to go slow, real slow. I'm fine with that...I'm still a ways before I sleep with her, but progressing
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Good stuff white sox.
Anymore updates? You definitely used some AOS tactics right there. Lets see how it unfoils....
Do you think you can create a triangle? Maybe talk to a friend of hers (female friend of course) at the gym or just another girl she would see you talking with to drive her IL up?
Anymore updates? You definitely used some AOS tactics right there. Lets see how it unfoils....
Do you think you can create a triangle? Maybe talk to a friend of hers (female friend of course) at the gym or just another girl she would see you talking with to drive her IL up?
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If used correctly, 48 Laws of Power is the god book for combating oneitis and moving on after a bad break up. Robert Greene is a brilliant man, and am extremely greatful towards you guys for recommending it last year.
Reyaj
Master Don Juan
resilent which laws or lessons from either book do you recommend or have worked for you well in the past and present?
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.