apotheosis
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you're all male models or complete fantasists lol.
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
You can get pity-lays if you are ugly though, so wouldn't that make it easier that way?Yeah that’s the way the world works. It’s hard for hot guys to nail hot girls; if you’re ugly it will be very hard. Either better yourself or lower your expectations.
A million times this, lolI don't think anybody here is talking about cold approach. It's changes everything.
1 in 30 is better than most pro PUA's.
1 in 50 would be exceptionally good. Would need good looks and good game
Take some random guy on the street and see how many COLD approaches it takes him to BANG some hot girl who doesn't pre-select him, and we'd be looking at like 500+ approaches. Maybe even thousands
COLD approach. I don't think anyone on this forum does that tbh lol
They're talking about women who has low to almost no IL whatsoever towards them in the beginning and turning it around with some strong game.1 in 50? What in the holy hell. That’s outrageous. If you can string a sentence together, have average looks (which is the vast majority), and know basic female knowledge you can get laid with ease. especially on apps like tinder or bumble.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
If this is true (which it isn’t, he just wanted to sell you the book) this is far more impressive than my numbers. I’m lucky if I SEE a 9/10, much less take one down. I maybe had 2 or 3 of those in my life.to give you an idea, I was reading the book today of someone who claims to be like, one of the best there is, and he talks about approaching like 5 girls per night, goinng out twice per week, and expecting to get laid with 2-3 girls in the 9-10 range per month, i think
At last. I honestly feel like i'm talking too a bunch of edgy teens from lookism at the moment. I need to take a break from this forum lolA bunch of lies in this thread. Even the best looking or richest man in the world will not have a 1:3 ratio. If you’re laying 1:50 hotties you’re doing well.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Your 1:100 lay from your own social circle could only mean that u r deemed to be of really super low smv that only the most desperate of women will even consider you.A bunch of lies in this thread. Even the best looking or richest man in the world will not have a 1:3 ratio. If you’re laying 1:50 hotties you’re doing well.
Bullshyt. There’s no need to inflate one’s own numbers. As I said earlier, it comes down to smv of both the girl and guy, logistics, age, and just pure luck. You will never bang 1:3 women.Your 1:100 lay from your own social circle could only mean that u r deemed to be of really super low smv that only the most desperate of women will even consider you.
YOU said something about 9s and 10s, so stop moving the goalposts. And that’s great that you can stoop as low as 7s (aka top 10% of women on the market.) Are you in the top 10% of men? No? Then stop pretending like you’re entitled to it.At last. I honestly feel like i'm talking too a bunch of edgy teens from lookism at the moment. I need to take a break from this forum lol
People should try to find similar threads from like masf forums etc when people actually approached to get an idea of 'real' numbers
And who said anything about 9's and 10's? I'm happy with anything over a 7. And i'm not about to get a load of plastic surgery to 'better myself' lol
Anyway, i'm done with this thread. I guess we can all agree to disagree!
Some men I know even has a consistency of 1:1...Bullshyt. There’s no need to inflate one’s own numbers. As I said earlier, it comes down to smv of both the girl and guy, logistics, age, and just pure luck. You will never bang 1:3 women.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
You know Leo DiCaprio!!?Some men I know even has a consistency of 1:1...
That’s 100% bull****. Lie to yourself, not the whole forum. No one has a 1:1 ratio.Some men I know even has a consistency of 1:1...
And yet u r here with a 1:100 success rate trying to teach me game?
Don't even try going there..
You don’t NEED to be a hot dude but the point is that if a hot girl is constantly approached by hot dudes, you’ll need to give her a hell of a reason to hook up with you if you’re not. That’s why social circle is much more effective because it means she can get to know your other traits. The problem is that some guys on this forum are probably very negative and toxic when you get to know them, so they do even worse than you’d assume on the surface.so this is a 'how good looking are you?' thread, basically.
I think a very good looking guy could bang like 1 in 10 'hot' girls
Although don't forget that some people (obviously not on this forum and thread, and not necessarily me either) believe that with 'game' you don't need to be good looking (top 10% of men) to bang hot girls
what other traits out of interest? Like humour and stuff? And even with them traits, you'd still never be in teh top 10% of men by your definition, no?. Like, You'd still look the same, lolYou don’t NEED to be a hot dude but the point is that if a hot girl is constantly approached by hot dudes, you’ll need to give her a hell of a reason to hook up with you if you’re not. That’s why social circle is much more effective because it means she can get to know your other traits. The problem is that some guys on this forum are probably very negative and toxic when you get to know them, so they do even worse than you’d assume on the surface.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.