“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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2nd Date Update

Bokanovsky

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This is a very myopic view on the subject. It’s a first date we’re talking about. If I ask a woman out - I’ll pay. I very much doubt this is contributing to the pandemic of “dinner wh0res,” but believe what you will.
If you don't think that a significant number of women on dating sites are dinner wh0res, you are deluding yourself. I live in an area that has a lot of trendy bars and restaurants and you see this kind of thing all the time. Walking down the street, you see a couple and it's clear from their body language that they are on a first date (for some reason, it's often a white chick with some beta-looking minority guy). And you laugh to yourself, because you've seen the same girl in the same restaurant with a different dude a few days ago. And you know that there is no way that these b!tches could afford $100+ dinners and lunches if they were paying their own way.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Or it could be a shjt test. As beexcellent admitted to.
It could mean anything or nothing at all. People who live by hard and fast rules will also die by them (figuratively speaking of course!).
 
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Or it could be a shjt test. As beexcellent admitted to.
You don't want to be dating a woman who uses sh!t-tests like that in the first place. From what I understand, Be Excellent is a single woman in her 50's. That alone should tell you something.
 

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If you don't think that a significant number of women on dating sites are dinner wh0res, you are deluding yourself. I live in an area that has a lot of trendy bars and restaurants and you see this kid of thing all the time. Walking down the street, you see a couple and it's clear from their body language that they are on a first date (for some reason, it's often a white chick with some beta-looking minority guy). And you laugh to yourself, because you've seen the same girl in the same restaurant with a different dude a few days ago. And you know that there is no way that these b!tches could afford $100+ dinners and lunches if they were paying their own way.
I don’t necessarily disagree with THIS post. But your previous you made an assumption that I was part of the contribution. And you know nothing about me.

In general, I would disagree that a man paying for drinks on the first date contributes to a pandemic of dinner wh0res. Not saying that they don’t exist though.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I don’t necessarily disagree with THIS post. But your previous you made an assumption that I was part of the contribution. And you know nothing about me.

In general, I would disagree that a man paying for drinks on the first date contributes to a pandemic of dinner wh0res. Not saying that they don’t exist though.
You are right, I don't know anything about you. My comment was not directed at you personally but was more of a general statement. I don't think that it's helpful or productive to try to cling to old-fashioned values in a world that has long since moved on from them.
 
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While this sounds good in theory, let's remove the smoke screen. You are inadvertently charging a man for your services (your company). While dollar bills aren't going directly from his hands to yours, the money *is* simply being 'laundered.' in the form of food, drinks etc...

Why cloak this ritual as believing that a woman is to be treated like a a "queen?' In reality, women are participating in a variation of prostitution.
Im not cloaking anything. As I said it’s one tiny piece of information. I was asked how it makes me feel. I’m being honest in my answer. To suggest I expect it is untrue. To suggest it’s prostitution is completely out of line. You prefer to pay. So are you paying for her company? Are your dates transactional? I don’t get that impression about you. You are a gentleman and like to conduct yourself as a gentleman. I appreciate good manners and a gentleman as well. It’s something I pay attention to. So if a guy takes me up on my offer it suggests one of several possibilities...one is he’s not really into it, two he cannot afford it or isn’t accustomed to treating a lady, or three he expects to be taken care of.

I always offer because maybe it’s a guy who isn’t comfortable picking up the whole tab, maybe he isn’t feeling it, whatever as noted above. There are social norms in high value social circles. A gentleman behaves as you do. I prefer a gentleman.

You also must realize that I do not go out with men for free meals. I don’t need to do that. If I’m on a date I have interest in the dude. Otherwise I don’t spend time with him.
 

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On a fundamental level, a woman who makes a genuine offer to split the bill is showing that she has at least some moral values. She is not comfortable benefiting from someone else's generosity or taking advantage of traditional "female entitlements". That is a good thing! It means that she is not selfish or entitled. You would rather be dating someone like that than a girl who seamlessly plays the woman card by running off to the bathroom just as the bill is about to arrive.
 
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Dude if that’s true then I need to own my PE because I have that all the time but over the years I learned how to pace myself and can last over an hour like I did last night
I been in a few babes who thought every minute in their pvssy was like costing them money, so they get mad at us "long cummers".
 

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I been in a few babes who thought every minute in their pvssy was like costing them money, so they get mad at us "long cummers".
Really? Damn that is a relief. So maybe the hotter the girl the quicker the better? But man I’ve *** in like 2 seconds before
 

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Im not cloaking anything. As I said it’s one tiny piece of information. I was asked how it makes me feel. I’m being honest in my answer. To suggest I expect it is untrue. To suggest it’s prostitution is completely out of line. You prefer to pay. So are you paying for her company? Are your dates transactional? I don’t get that impression about you. You are a gentleman and like to conduct yourself as a gentleman. I appreciate good manners and a gentleman as well. It’s something I pay attention to. So if a guy takes me up on my offer it suggests one of several possibilities...one is he’s not really into it, two he cannot afford it or isn’t accustomed to treating a lady, or three he expects to be taken care of.

I always offer because maybe it’s a guy who isn’t comfortable picking up the whole tab, maybe he isn’t feeling it, whatever as noted above. There are social norms in high value social circles. A gentleman behaves as you do. I prefer a gentleman.

You also must realize that I do not go out with men for free meals. I don’t need to do that. If I’m on a date I have interest in the dude. Otherwise I don’t spend time with him.
After re-reading my above posting, I can see how this could be easily misconstrued. To eliminate any misunderstandings, my original response to BeExcellent was not to suggest any personal attack on your/her character. instead, this was intended to strip away the traditional dating ritual and see it for what it is; a form of consenting prostitution. I'm not angry about this ritual, but let's not pretend. It's a woman accepts goods (drinks, food etc..) for their company, it's a form of prostitution.

BeExcellent appears to hold a key among our 'men's club' (and I personally don't object). However, to be clear... my postings are *always* written in mind for the male lurker. These are the young, old, and inexperienced men that might be too intimated to join. If I believe that BeExcellent, the chest thumpers or others (in particular some Mods on occasion) are not providing the proper path and/or tools for those that may be impressionable, I'll call it out. I can also get full of myself and have no problem being called out as well.
 

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Daft way of going Dutch.

If she was more socially-adept, a better way would be to say, “You got the first round. I’ll get this one.”

This ensures continuity.

If she doesn’t want a third date, just tell the man straight up.
 

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The only reason a woman will insist on paying for her part of a date is if she is too independent or not that interested and doesnt want to feel obligated.
The only "obligations" a woman has to a man is to be less than five minutes late (unless she calls or text's beforehand). And... at the end of the date (if the man pays) to say "thank you."

I've encountered more women that follow the script of volunteering to pay their half (and then it's my dating cue to say, "I'll take care of this"). In fairness, some of these women may be uncertain how you feel about them... and you paying is a sign of your approval.

The women (and they've been few and far between) that sincerely wanted to pay their half or suggest buying the drinks somewhere else. really impressed me. And those that matured into future dates or a relationship seemed to be a lot more fun to be around (just as feminine, but less hassles and drama).

There are plenty of other reasons that a woman may wish to pay her half.

1. A former date made her feel beholden and she doesn't want to risk this again.
2. She realizes that this isn't the buggy and carriage days and that she has an income too.
3. She's not interested in the man and doesn't want him to feel used.
4. She may know of women that leach and she wants to differentiate herself from that image.
5. She wants to appear less maintenance than the other women that you're seeing.

If you mistakenly ended up taking out a feminist, it's your fault (you didn't screen enough beforehand).
 

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I'm pretty sure Howiestern is Hank Moody he said he created an alt because he didn't want to get **** on, meanwhile travels around the forum ****ting on everyone
 

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If I ask @BeExcellent out to dinner/drinks for a first date I'm going to take her to a quiet place where we can talk and if it is going well somewhere I don't mind racking up a bunch of small plates and a few rounds of drinks. I Invite, I Pay... By the same token if she says "Let's go to the French Laundry" I'll tell her that's not in my budget right now. If it is a problem for her then she just saved me the trouble of seeing what her motivation is. (Frankly for me French Laundry is a 10 year anniversary dinner)

Let's remember boys....First dates are to get to know each other and discern chemistry. Don't put yourself in a situation to get a bill racked up on you if you will be offended by it. There are plenty of other low cost options .
 

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If I ask @BeExcellent out to dinner/drinks for a first date I'm going to take her to a quiet place where we can talk and if it is going well somewhere I don't mind racking up a bunch of small plates and a few rounds of drinks. I Invite, I Pay... By the same token if she says "Let's go to the French Laundry" I'll tell her that's not in my budget right now. If it is a problem for her then she just saved me the trouble of seeing what her motivation is. (Frankly for me French Laundry is a 10 year anniversary dinner)

Let's remember boys....First dates are to get to know each other and discern chemistry. Don't put yourself in a situation to get a bill racked up on you if you will be offended by it. There are plenty of other low cost options .
Know what’s funny? Best restaurant meal of my life was at French Laundry. Was with my then husband and we were in Napa to run the marathon. Funnier still was that I was pregnant with my son. So I couldn’t really enjoy the wines served with the meal. I had some Malmsey after the meal and he was watching every sip like a hawk. Wonderful food, atmosphere and service. Agree it’s a special occasion kind of place ;)

Cheers
 
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