"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Epicurus

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Modem day women are delusional and consumed by Disney fantasies. Met this girl at a school library we text a little bit. Subject of sex comes up and this grown ass woman literally told me.
I’m still a virgin. I want my first time to be special
A grown ass woman. Safe to say. I blocked her number right there, that type of negativity isn’t needed in my life
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Murk

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You're weak if you folded that early, a real man would have deflowered those sweet sugar walls. Maybe give her number to someone here so they can do the right thing.
 

The Duke

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Ok, here is what I see a lot of on this forum these days: Many of you are willing to do just about whatever it takes to get laid. I see it in many of your responses in many threads. You will disregard your belief system and tolerate bad behavior in order to get laid. If that is who you are then fine, have at it but don't put someone down because you lack self control to conduct yourself differently.

Epicurus made a decision based on past experience and this woman's belief system. A woman that thinks this way is not something he wants to be around. I don't blame him one bit. She'll likely make him jump thru all sorts of hoops.

Murkserious calls Epicurus "WEAK" because he stood by what he believes in and walked away. That is STRONG. Many of you have no self control over your sexual desires. You remind me of a bunch of women with no emotional control. That is the definition of WEAK.

No wonder women have so much power these days! You guys have given it away.

The one who cares the least has the most power. Some of you need to reflect on that for a while.
 

zekko

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Modem day women are delusional and consumed by Disney fantasies. Met this girl at a school library we text a little bit. Subject of sex comes up and this grown ass woman literally told me.
I’m still a virgin. I want my first time to be special
A grown ass woman. Safe to say. I blocked her number right there, that type of negativity isn’t needed in my life
I understand your position, but I think you're wrong to characterize it as "negativity".
If more women took this attitude instead of getting banged by every Chad Thunderc0ck that came along, the world would be a better place.
Besides, no one is saying that you couldn't have made her first time special.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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zekko

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...for you maybe.

Perspective.
For most people, I would imagine. I know you and a few others have been honest enough to embrace the current culture, because it makes pickup, one night stands, FWBs, casual sex, etc. easier. I can understand that point of view.

But most posters here rail against feminism and women riding the c0ck carousel in their 20s. Desdinova often talks about how females who run up high counts of sex partners are unable to properly bond. Most guys here look down on this behavior. You can't have your cake and eat it to.
 
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For most people, I would imagine. I know you and a few others have been honest enough to embrace the current culture, because it makes pickup, one night stands, FWBs, casual sex, etc. easier. I can understand that point of view.

But most posters here rail against feminism and women riding the c0ck carousel in their 20s. Desdinova often talks about how females who run up high counts of sex partners are unable to properly bond. Most guys here look down on this behavior. You can't have your cake and eat it to.
So why do some of those guys who rally against feminism and loose women advise guys to next a girl who isn't putting out after three dates? It's hypocritical.
 

TheGambino

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Ok, here is what I see a lot of on this forum these days: Many of you are willing to do just about whatever it takes to get laid. I see it in many of your responses in many threads. You will disregard your belief system and tolerate bad behavior in order to get laid. If that is who you are then fine, have at it but don't put someone down because you lack self control to conduct yourself differently.

Epicurus made a decision based on past experience and this woman's belief system. A woman that thinks this way is not something he wants to be around. I don't blame him one bit. She'll likely make him jump thru all sorts of hoops.

Murkserious calls Epicurus "WEAK" because he stood by what he believes in and walked away. That is STRONG. Many of you have no self control over your sexual desires. You remind me of a bunch of women with no emotional control. That is the definition of WEAK.

No wonder women have so much power these days! You guys have given it away.

The one who cares the least has the most power. Some of you need to reflect on that for a while.
Very, very True replie.
 

zekko

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Women remaining virgins until trading nookie for nuptials is one interpretation i have of hell. It's a possible dimension i'll be sent to when i'm dead.

I'm not sure why you'd wish that on your fellow dj, Zekko mate. I always suspected you were a bpd ;)
But the girl in the OP never said she was saving herself for marriage. She just said she wanted her first time to be special. That may be a bit naive on her part, but I certainly don't see it as unreasonable.

As for "wishing that on my fellow DJ", I'm not worried about Epicurus, I'm sure he's not hurting for girls to have sex with. I didn't even care that he blocked the girl. My only objection was describing her going against the grain as negativity, when it should probably be applauded. No reason to be upset over the virgin, Deesade, there are still 99.9999% of the other girls out there who can be slvts.

By the way, no way am I BPD. I keep my life about as drama-free as it can be.

So why do some of those guys who rally against feminism and loose women advise guys to next a girl who isn't putting out after three dates? It's hypocritical.
Completely agree.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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OP as usual was a bit over blown in his Post. If modern woman were doing that on mass we d have the nineteen fifties back which some of you guys are so keen on.

I don't see any fault on either side she had her values he had his and they stuck to them. AFC behaviour would be to spend time trailing around behind this chick hoping to get a slice while she makes up the rules.

So he made the right choice I'm just not quite sure about the strong blaming afterwards.
 

zekko

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OP as usual was a bit over blown in his Post. If modern woman were doing that on mass we d have the nineteen fifties back which some of you guys are so keen on.
There's a place in the world for prostitutes, and also for good wives and mothers.
I've always thought that if the world was maybe half slvtty girls and half nice girls, there would be enough to go around for everybody according to their wants. There would be girls for the guys who just want to bang plates throughout their lives, and there would be nice girls for the guys who want families or relationships. Or you can change 50/50 to 60/40, 70/30, or 80/20, either way, depending on what you think the demands are.
 
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