"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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2 Types of Friend Zones

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1. The most hated, terrible, hellacious, forbidden Friend Zone. This is when you are a wuss and dont play the game right. You end up as "just a friend" and never get any ***** from the girl.



Then there is a more acceptable friend zone


2. She liked you. You liked her. You dated. You hooked up. Somewhere along the line, you both figured out you simply werent each others type. This is natural. Not everyone is going to be your type and vice versa. But you still found something attractive in each other and had sex. You have a few things in common and decided to stay friends.


Males perspective

#1.... this is a lost cause. You ****ed up. Ended up as her ***** boy. Move on NOW. No chance in hell to get some ass out of it.

#2.... worse case scenerio, it's still a notch on the bed post. And since you're already comfortable and have seen each other naked, might as well milk it for all it's worth.



Females Perspective

#1. A weak male that she can run over and has no interest in because she just isnt attracted to him. He didnt have enough confidence or didn't play his cards right. Someone she can use for comfort to rest her head on and dry her tears with.

#2 Must be different. How do women see this type of "friend" ? You both know your personalities clash and that a serious LTR would never work out, but still want to remain friends. Is this type of "friend" seen the same way as #1?
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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REPEM said:
2. She liked you. You liked her. You dated. You hooked up. Somewhere along the line, you both figured out you simply werent each others type. This is natural. Not everyone is going to be your type and vice versa. But you still found something attractive in each other and had sex. You have a few things in common and decided to stay friends.
The truth is, usually it's one person who "figures out" that it won't work. If it's HER that decides it won't work then it's still the same as Friendzone #1.

So it depends on the reason it didn't work out. If it was because she lost interest and her attraction faded then that is the same as Friendzone #1. If it was DEFINITELY due to compatibilty and not due to attraction then it's a different type of Friendzone.

Friendzone is due to lack of sexual attraction (guy wants girl but she doesn't want him). This can happen at ANY STAGE. A guy could be in an LTR with a girl for 3 years then she dumps him but wants to remain friends. The guy is still hung up on her but she moves on to someone else. This is just as bad as Friendzone #1. The only difference is she lost attraction over time.

So just because you've had sex with a girl in the past doesn't mean you can escape the Friendzone. In fact, it can be worse because then you've had a taste and want more, whereas at least the nice guy AFC who never got to fvck her doesn't know what he's missing out on.

Friendzone #2 only exists if the guy HONESTLY (and I mean honestly) doesn't want to sleep with the girl anymore, and is not just being "friends" in the hope of hooking up with her again. Otherwise it's just another case of Friendzone #1.
 

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starplayer said:
The truth is, usually it's one person who "figures out" that it won't work. If it's HER that decides it won't work then it's still the same as Friendzone #1.

So it depends on the reason it didn't work out. If it was because she lost interest and her attraction faded then that is the same as Friendzone #1. If it was DEFINITELY due to compatibilty and not due to attraction then it's a different type of Friendzone.

Friendzone is due to lack of sexual attraction (guy wants girl but she doesn't want him). This can happen at ANY STAGE. A guy could be in an LTR with a girl for 3 years then she dumps him but wants to remain friends. The guy is still hung up on her but she moves on to someone else. This is just as bad as Friendzone #1. The only difference is she lost attraction over time.

So just because you've had sex with a girl in the past doesn't mean you can escape the Friendzone. In fact, it can be worse because then you've had a taste and want more, whereas at least the nice guy AFC who never got to fvck her doesn't know what he's missing out on.

Friendzone #2 only exists if the guy HONESTLY (and I mean honestly) doesn't want to sleep with the girl anymore, and is not just being "friends" in the hope of hooking up with her again. Otherwise it's just another case of Friendzone #1.
So what if you're in situation #2 and you've hooked up again after breaking up? Obviously this is different than situation #1
 

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Yeah if you continue to hook up with the girl on your terms and you are the one with upper hand then that is very different to #1.


It's like at the end of an LTR, two very different things can happen:

1) The girl breaks up with the guy. He begs and pleads and turns into her little b!tch friend. She fvcks other guys but never him. He has oneitis for her and she takes advantage of him.

2) The guy breaks up with the girl (or she dumps him for cheating or a reason other than low attraction). They both move on. The guy starts fvcking other girls. After a while he occasionally hooks up with the girl again and can possibly turn her into a fvck buddy.


It all depends on who has the power.
 

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REPEM said:
1. The most hated, terrible, hellacious, forbidden Friend Zone. This is when you are a wuss and dont play the game right. You end up as "just a friend" and never get any ***** from the girl.



Then there is a more acceptable friend zone


2. She liked you. You liked her. You dated. You hooked up. Somewhere along the line, you both figured out you simply werent each others type. This is natural. Not everyone is going to be your type and vice versa. But you still found something attractive in each other and had sex. You have a few things in common and decided to stay friends.


Males perspective

#1.... this is a lost cause. You ****ed up. Ended up as her ***** boy. Move on NOW. No chance in hell to get some ass out of it.

#2.... worse case scenerio, it's still a notch on the bed post. And since you're already comfortable and have seen each other naked, might as well milk it for all it's worth.



Females Perspective

#1. A weak male that she can run over and has no interest in because she just isnt attracted to him. He didnt have enough confidence or didn't play his cards right. Someone she can use for comfort to rest her head on and dry her tears with.

#2 Must be different. How do women see this type of "friend" ? You both know your personalities clash and that a serious LTR would never work out, but still want to remain friends. Is this type of "friend" seen the same way as #1?
REPEM, this post is Platinum! You should post this in the tips section.

But this still deserves a rep!
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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The friendzones I agree with the female perspectives I disagree. Girls don't stop and think that way of a guy turned friendzone, she doesn't even think of him at all. The female perspective description is only gonna serve to instill unneccesary negative thoughts to noobs to this site and turn them cynical and bitter towards women. She either likes your or she doesn't. If your in the friendzone she will not think about you at all.she has space in her thoughts only reserved for her bf and girl friends.if it's normal mutual friendship as in both parties don't seek relationship she will think of you as a friend that's all.
 

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Does anyone think there is another friendzone...

Where there is interest from girl but girl has been through so much **** with last few boyfriends that she doesn't want any of that for a while? And just to be happy on her own for a while?
 

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CCFCmid said:
Does anyone think there is another friendzone...

Where there is interest from girl but girl has been through so much **** with last few boyfriends that she doesn't want any of that for a while? And just to be happy on her own for a while?
This is the question I have. The one that wants to slow things down and wants to get to know you. Is this a 3rd twilight friend zone? Or is it she's just mentally fuvked and can't be with you?
 

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In my situation the girl has had self-harming/suicidal bf, then several before that she caught cheating on her, I don't think it's unrealistic to imagine she isn't ready yet. On the other hand, you could look at it like... if she was interested enough, it wouldn't matter what had happened to her in the past. I don't particularly subscribe to that though since surely a girl is allowed to go through so much where they just write off relationships for a while.

I've left it where she knows I don't think trying to keep the exes in her life as friends is healthy for her as she will be constantly stuck in this position. Left it at that which probably pissed her off, my lack of relating to her situation, which hopefully in the long term, she will see as correct. Now that's in terms of friendship to her (work colleague). Romantic/Sexual wise this is dead for me now, and I move on, next! But of course there's the chance in the future when she's sorted her **** out and made it clear to me (thus earning it).
 

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CCFCmid said:
In my situation the girl has had self-harming/suicidal bf, then several before that she caught cheating on her, I don't think it's unrealistic to imagine she isn't ready yet. On the other hand, you could look at it like... if she was interested enough, it wouldn't matter what had happened to her in the past. I don't particularly subscribe to that though since surely a girl is allowed to go through so much where they just write off relationships for a while.

I've left it where she knows I don't think trying to keep the exes in her life as friends is healthy for her as she will be constantly stuck in this position. Left it at that which probably pissed her off, my lack of relating to her situation, which hopefully in the long term, she will see as correct. Now that's in terms of friendship to her (work colleague). Romantic/Sexual wise this is dead for me now, and I move on, next! But of course there's the chance in the future when she's sorted her **** out and made it clear to me (thus earning it).
It's possible for a girl to be genuinely not interested in guys with what you described. However I think it's unlikely that you will move from the friend zone. If this girl really liked you, she'd give it a go regardless. I wouldn't expect this girl to realize the error of her ways and seek you out in the future.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

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