"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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2 Types of Friend Zones

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1. The most hated, terrible, hellacious, forbidden Friend Zone. This is when you are a wuss and dont play the game right. You end up as "just a friend" and never get any ***** from the girl.



Then there is a more acceptable friend zone


2. She liked you. You liked her. You dated. You hooked up. Somewhere along the line, you both figured out you simply werent each others type. This is natural. Not everyone is going to be your type and vice versa. But you still found something attractive in each other and had sex. You have a few things in common and decided to stay friends.


Males perspective

#1.... this is a lost cause. You ****ed up. Ended up as her ***** boy. Move on NOW. No chance in hell to get some ass out of it.

#2.... worse case scenerio, it's still a notch on the bed post. And since you're already comfortable and have seen each other naked, might as well milk it for all it's worth.



Females Perspective

#1. A weak male that she can run over and has no interest in because she just isnt attracted to him. He didnt have enough confidence or didn't play his cards right. Someone she can use for comfort to rest her head on and dry her tears with.

#2 Must be different. How do women see this type of "friend" ? You both know your personalities clash and that a serious LTR would never work out, but still want to remain friends. Is this type of "friend" seen the same way as #1?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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REPEM said:
2. She liked you. You liked her. You dated. You hooked up. Somewhere along the line, you both figured out you simply werent each others type. This is natural. Not everyone is going to be your type and vice versa. But you still found something attractive in each other and had sex. You have a few things in common and decided to stay friends.
The truth is, usually it's one person who "figures out" that it won't work. If it's HER that decides it won't work then it's still the same as Friendzone #1.

So it depends on the reason it didn't work out. If it was because she lost interest and her attraction faded then that is the same as Friendzone #1. If it was DEFINITELY due to compatibilty and not due to attraction then it's a different type of Friendzone.

Friendzone is due to lack of sexual attraction (guy wants girl but she doesn't want him). This can happen at ANY STAGE. A guy could be in an LTR with a girl for 3 years then she dumps him but wants to remain friends. The guy is still hung up on her but she moves on to someone else. This is just as bad as Friendzone #1. The only difference is she lost attraction over time.

So just because you've had sex with a girl in the past doesn't mean you can escape the Friendzone. In fact, it can be worse because then you've had a taste and want more, whereas at least the nice guy AFC who never got to fvck her doesn't know what he's missing out on.

Friendzone #2 only exists if the guy HONESTLY (and I mean honestly) doesn't want to sleep with the girl anymore, and is not just being "friends" in the hope of hooking up with her again. Otherwise it's just another case of Friendzone #1.
 

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starplayer said:
The truth is, usually it's one person who "figures out" that it won't work. If it's HER that decides it won't work then it's still the same as Friendzone #1.

So it depends on the reason it didn't work out. If it was because she lost interest and her attraction faded then that is the same as Friendzone #1. If it was DEFINITELY due to compatibilty and not due to attraction then it's a different type of Friendzone.

Friendzone is due to lack of sexual attraction (guy wants girl but she doesn't want him). This can happen at ANY STAGE. A guy could be in an LTR with a girl for 3 years then she dumps him but wants to remain friends. The guy is still hung up on her but she moves on to someone else. This is just as bad as Friendzone #1. The only difference is she lost attraction over time.

So just because you've had sex with a girl in the past doesn't mean you can escape the Friendzone. In fact, it can be worse because then you've had a taste and want more, whereas at least the nice guy AFC who never got to fvck her doesn't know what he's missing out on.

Friendzone #2 only exists if the guy HONESTLY (and I mean honestly) doesn't want to sleep with the girl anymore, and is not just being "friends" in the hope of hooking up with her again. Otherwise it's just another case of Friendzone #1.
So what if you're in situation #2 and you've hooked up again after breaking up? Obviously this is different than situation #1
 

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Yeah if you continue to hook up with the girl on your terms and you are the one with upper hand then that is very different to #1.


It's like at the end of an LTR, two very different things can happen:

1) The girl breaks up with the guy. He begs and pleads and turns into her little b!tch friend. She fvcks other guys but never him. He has oneitis for her and she takes advantage of him.

2) The guy breaks up with the girl (or she dumps him for cheating or a reason other than low attraction). They both move on. The guy starts fvcking other girls. After a while he occasionally hooks up with the girl again and can possibly turn her into a fvck buddy.


It all depends on who has the power.
 

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REPEM said:
1. The most hated, terrible, hellacious, forbidden Friend Zone. This is when you are a wuss and dont play the game right. You end up as "just a friend" and never get any ***** from the girl.



Then there is a more acceptable friend zone


2. She liked you. You liked her. You dated. You hooked up. Somewhere along the line, you both figured out you simply werent each others type. This is natural. Not everyone is going to be your type and vice versa. But you still found something attractive in each other and had sex. You have a few things in common and decided to stay friends.


Males perspective

#1.... this is a lost cause. You ****ed up. Ended up as her ***** boy. Move on NOW. No chance in hell to get some ass out of it.

#2.... worse case scenerio, it's still a notch on the bed post. And since you're already comfortable and have seen each other naked, might as well milk it for all it's worth.



Females Perspective

#1. A weak male that she can run over and has no interest in because she just isnt attracted to him. He didnt have enough confidence or didn't play his cards right. Someone she can use for comfort to rest her head on and dry her tears with.

#2 Must be different. How do women see this type of "friend" ? You both know your personalities clash and that a serious LTR would never work out, but still want to remain friends. Is this type of "friend" seen the same way as #1?
REPEM, this post is Platinum! You should post this in the tips section.

But this still deserves a rep!
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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The friendzones I agree with the female perspectives I disagree. Girls don't stop and think that way of a guy turned friendzone, she doesn't even think of him at all. The female perspective description is only gonna serve to instill unneccesary negative thoughts to noobs to this site and turn them cynical and bitter towards women. She either likes your or she doesn't. If your in the friendzone she will not think about you at all.she has space in her thoughts only reserved for her bf and girl friends.if it's normal mutual friendship as in both parties don't seek relationship she will think of you as a friend that's all.
 

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Does anyone think there is another friendzone...

Where there is interest from girl but girl has been through so much **** with last few boyfriends that she doesn't want any of that for a while? And just to be happy on her own for a while?
 

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CCFCmid said:
Does anyone think there is another friendzone...

Where there is interest from girl but girl has been through so much **** with last few boyfriends that she doesn't want any of that for a while? And just to be happy on her own for a while?
This is the question I have. The one that wants to slow things down and wants to get to know you. Is this a 3rd twilight friend zone? Or is it she's just mentally fuvked and can't be with you?
 

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In my situation the girl has had self-harming/suicidal bf, then several before that she caught cheating on her, I don't think it's unrealistic to imagine she isn't ready yet. On the other hand, you could look at it like... if she was interested enough, it wouldn't matter what had happened to her in the past. I don't particularly subscribe to that though since surely a girl is allowed to go through so much where they just write off relationships for a while.

I've left it where she knows I don't think trying to keep the exes in her life as friends is healthy for her as she will be constantly stuck in this position. Left it at that which probably pissed her off, my lack of relating to her situation, which hopefully in the long term, she will see as correct. Now that's in terms of friendship to her (work colleague). Romantic/Sexual wise this is dead for me now, and I move on, next! But of course there's the chance in the future when she's sorted her **** out and made it clear to me (thus earning it).
 

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CCFCmid said:
In my situation the girl has had self-harming/suicidal bf, then several before that she caught cheating on her, I don't think it's unrealistic to imagine she isn't ready yet. On the other hand, you could look at it like... if she was interested enough, it wouldn't matter what had happened to her in the past. I don't particularly subscribe to that though since surely a girl is allowed to go through so much where they just write off relationships for a while.

I've left it where she knows I don't think trying to keep the exes in her life as friends is healthy for her as she will be constantly stuck in this position. Left it at that which probably pissed her off, my lack of relating to her situation, which hopefully in the long term, she will see as correct. Now that's in terms of friendship to her (work colleague). Romantic/Sexual wise this is dead for me now, and I move on, next! But of course there's the chance in the future when she's sorted her **** out and made it clear to me (thus earning it).
It's possible for a girl to be genuinely not interested in guys with what you described. However I think it's unlikely that you will move from the friend zone. If this girl really liked you, she'd give it a go regardless. I wouldn't expect this girl to realize the error of her ways and seek you out in the future.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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