"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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lamobatsman

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i read somewhere on this forum earlier- this was an interesting topic so i thought id write a thread on this.

scenario 1- where a girl would sleep with a guy within hours ( a hot college dude)

scenario 2- she goes on a few dates with the guy yet hasnt slept with him or even decided shes not interested
( apparently someone said shes testing the guy for relationship material

im curious about this. why do some girls do this with some guys and not others.
is this an indicator of how much she likes on guy comapred to another?

i remember being in a situation where i was " seeing a girl for 3 months" and she didnt even sleep with me, but she met a guy on holiday shortly after and screwed him within the first week or something. yet she was telling me that she liked me etc etc. she told me afterwards that she wanted to see if she wanted to be in a rship with me thats why she wnated to spend time with me.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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you were seeing her for 3 months and got no action?

That shouldn't have gone on for more than 4 dates.

Most women prefer to be lead then taken.
 

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Because life is full of compromises.

The guy she finds the most physically attractive (who might not necessarily be LTR material) is more likely to be scenario 1.

A guy who is decent looking but not necessarily hot, but has good LTR potential will likely be scenario 2.

It's the whole cad versus dad thing.

Do I agree with this? Hell no, but that's how women operate.

Besides looks, the other factor is logistics. Women are more likely to put out on vacation/holiday with a guy they can F discreetly and never see again.

I look like a dad (ie LTR guy) not a cad (ie ONS guy), but I can tip the scales slightly towards cad/ONS on vacation or a business trip due to logistics and the possibility of a discreet hookup.

Pulling a ONS near home is very difficult for me.
 

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The H B O show G ir ls is very educational for guys to watch.

(Way better and more realistic than Sx in the Sity crap.)

In the first season, Hannah is FWB with a CAD guy with zero ambition/money.

Marni (if I remember right) has a good, smart DAD boyfriend, but she was getting bored with him.

Sounds realistic to me.
 

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what do you do then?! surely a girl who actually gets to know you and likes you would rather sleep with you than someone she barely knows?!
why after a few dates she then still doesnt want to sleep with a guy that she actually has got to known and like. or why does she take it slow with this guy and faster with another?

is this an indication of how much she likes a guy? the speed which she sleeps with them?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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lamobatsman said:
what do you do then?! surely a girl who actually gets to know you and likes you would rather sleep with you than someone she barely knows?!
You are confusing liking someone as a potential LTR with raw physical attraction.

Let's say a girl meets some guy she thinks is hot but knows that there is no LTR potential because the guy is a player, already has a girlfriend, lives in another part of the world, whatever. In that case, she will put out quickly. Even though she knows she's being used for sex, she's okay with that because she wants to bang too. Giving it up is not a problem because there is no expectation of anything other than sex.

Now, let's imagine a different scenario. She meets a guy who is single and has LTR potential and she wants a relationship with him. In this situation, the girl will be reluctant to give it up quickly out of fear of being seen as easy and not considered LTR material. There *is* an expectation of something more, so the girl is witholding sex strategically.

As distasteful as this behavior may appear to us men, this is how females operate. Ironically, if you are just interested in getting laid, you actually have to make an effort not to appear as relationship material (while still being attractive to women in terms of your appearance and personality).
 

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Bokanovsky said:
You are confusing liking someone as a potential LTR with raw physical attraction.

Let's say a girl meets some guy she thinks is hot but knows that there is no LTR potential because the guy is a player, already has a girlfriend, lives in another part of the world, whatever. In that case, she will put out quickly. Even though she knows she's being used for sex, she's okay with that because she wants to bang too. Giving it up is not a problem because there is no expectation of anything other than sex.

Now, let's imagine a different scenario. She meets a guy who is single and has LTR potential and she wants a relationship with him. In this situation, the girl will be reluctant to give it up quickly out of fear of being seen as easy and not considered LTR material. There *is* an expectation of something more, so the girl is witholding sex strategically.

As distasteful as this behavior may appear to us men, this is how females operate. Ironically, if you are just interested in getting laid, you actually have to make an effort not to appear as relationship material (while still being attractive to women in terms of your appearance and personality).

WTF?!! SO she doesnt mind being seen easy with the other guy but the potential LTR she does mind?!!
WTF?! I DONT UNDERSTAND WOMEN! surely a girl would respect a guy who takes things slow and wants to get to know them properly and not like other guys who just want to sleep with them quickly?! isnt that more of a compliment to a girl??? what do girls want in a guy?!! im so confuseddd
 

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lamobatsman said:
WTF?!! SO she doesnt mind being seen easy with the other guy but the potential LTR she does mind?!!
WTF?! I DONT UNDERSTAND WOMEN! surely a girl would respect a guy who takes things slow and wants to get to know them properly and not like other guys who just want to sleep with them quickly?! isnt that more of a compliment to a girl??? what do girls want in a guy?!! im so confuseddd
I see that you still have much to learn about women...
 

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Bokanovsky said:
I see that you still have much to learn about women...
i do. can you explain me my questions please? so much i have to learn i knowwww
 
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