"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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18 year old chubby chick

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Okay, this is against all my morals but this girl messages me online and we get into a conversation and she willingly gives me her number.

this isn't what i envisioned spinning plates would be. she's cute in the face, but i just don't like chubby girls.

but should i just use her as practice and for sex? im 7 years older than her, she can't obviously think this would be permanent. i think she's just horny.

anyway, should i go for it?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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So you're a 25 year old going for 18 year olds? I say don't go for it. Yes it's legal but that's kinda gross.
 

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Biggie said:
So you're a 25 year old going for 18 year olds? I say don't go for it. Yes it's legal but that's kinda gross.
She went for me.

All the girls I go after are 22+.
 

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Biggie said:
So you're a 25 year old going for 18 year olds? I say don't go for it. Yes it's legal but that's kinda gross.
Total BS.
 

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Chubby = fat, thats a no.

18 yrs old = young and dumb. That could be a yes if shes hot. But considering she's not, I say no.

Bottomline I would feel disgusted after I cleaned up.

theres nothing wrong with a girl whos got T & A but if shes got a gut/fupa/gunt what have you...thats a negative right there son.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Biggie

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razkay said:
She went for me.

All the girls I go after are 22+.

Ah ok. Well if she just wants to get some and you just want to get some i say go for it. Just be safe.
 

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don't buy that age shaming bullshiit. Weaksauce on who ever threw that shiit out there. I wouldn't go that low, but then I'm a grown man, I rarely date women under 27. Younger than that is just good for a shag and that's it.

I usually advocate getting a starter girl, just to get your game rolling and to practice, but if your not attracted, leave it. Go after what you want. Good luck.
 

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Biggie said:
So you're a 25 year old going for 18 year olds? I say don't go for it. Yes it's legal but that's kinda gross.
do you mean it' gross that a 25 year old is going for a 18 year old or that it's gross that she's chubby? If it's the age thing than all I have to say is that's not at all gross, it's perfectly fine (though I couldn't see a relationship like that going anywhere). Now if your talking about the fact that she's chubby, well different people have different tastes. IMO a little chubby is ok (I'm talking average here, not fat) as long as she's cute.
 

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I say go for it, just for the experience screwing a chubby girl.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Biggie said:
So you're a 25 year old going for 18 year olds? I say don't go for it. Yes it's legal but that's kinda gross.
gtfo moralfag
 

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If I do go for this, it'll be my first chubby chick. I'm thinking she's fatter than chubby though. She has those myspace pic angles. lol
 

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Meet her at a place that's easy to bail from. If you want some action, proceed, if you don't bail.

Don't listen to any one here. Only 2 questions. Is she legal, and do you want to hit it?
 

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in the words of my buddies dad: "ugly girls are just practice"
 

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How chubby?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Fat Chicks are like mopeds. Everybody wants one, but you don't want your friends to see you riding it.
 

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razkay said:
Okay, this is against all my morals but this girl messages me online and we get into a conversation and she willingly gives me her number.

this isn't what i envisioned spinning plates would be. she's cute in the face, but i just don't like chubby girls.
If your going so 'low' as to consider phoning this fat chick, your not spinning plates. And your desperate. If you were spinning plates you'd have plenty of other attractive options. Ones you would want to bang.
 

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Leporello said:
How chubby?
I think she's on the verge of becoming a whale...so I'm not touching that. It was a fleeting thought.
 

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kraytkiller said:
If you were spinning plates you'd have plenty of other attractive options. Ones you would want to bang.
Hopefully I'll have several girls I can call, but right now I have zero. I'm working on this.
 
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