I have noticed that in some of the threads guys are talking **** again. You know "My **** is bigger than your ****" etc. Except this time they are saying "My game is tighter than your game etc". Well suprise suprise we all seem to have 12" game...
I only have 6" game, but I am lucky enough to have an above average track record in approaching women. When I was 15 or so I spent a year studying what makes women tick, I mean it was what I did for a year as a hobby 1-2 hours a day thinking watching etc. Then I put it into practice. At 16 I was mostly AFC but I have a fearless streak and was DJ even then at times. That was over 15 years ago. I am still AFC more so than most true DJ types but now it is more by choice.
I want to share what I learned for the AFC types here who came looking for some answers.
1) When you approach a woman you have a percentage chance of her being interested. My experience is that the rate is 20-30%(for me) of women I am interested in.
2) The 20-30% is mostly based on your looks/women you attracted to ratio. If you look like top cruise and have low standards you will probalby have a higher rate. But even Tom Cruise probably doesn't clear 80%. If you look like Hugh Grant and have high standards you may still be out of luck (remember he got arrested for using a hooker cause he couldn't get laid in LA with a british accent and decent looks? Trust me he not AFC and he has had better/more tail than all but 1 or 2 guys that read this board neither of which are me)
3) By being on "top of your game" you may pull an extra 1-5% but basically the girl is in to you or not into you in the first 20 sec. Just like a girl you are not attracted to isn't gonna talk you into taking her to the prom no matter how "tight her game"
4) If your sample isn't random you can get much higher/lower percentages. For example if you hit on drunk women at a club you are probably gonna have more luck and if you hit on women who are married its gonna be worse. A lot of guys don't realize how non-random their sample is.
5) Talking to a woman increases your odds from 0 to your 20-30% in the first 1-2 min. After that point most talking is actually hurting you. Its easy to get up to the 20-30 but it is much much much easier to do something that gets you back to 0%. Lack of confidence will blow your 20-30%. Most of being good with women is actually reaching your 20-30% every time. If you are below 20-30% then you need to simplify no complicate your approach.
6) Some AFC guys have much higher rates of success than DJs because they don't approach unless they see the girl flirt with them. Using this approach you can get ~100% success on ~0% of the women pretty easily.
7) Some women cannot say no when faced with a guy asking them for their ph# (any guy). I found it was much better to be aggressive in the talking and then pretty passive on the ph# to avoid women flaking. "Do you give your ph# to strangers" was my staple. The women who give you the ph# after that are pretty serious. Forcing rejection early is part of the DJ thing though most don't force it this early and they call it "nexting"
8) Most guys who are under the impression that they can get any woman they want have an ability to only want the women they can get.
9) Most of DJism is getting your ego ready, your look ready and your body ready. The actualy DJ approaches and alpha male stuff are very subjective to who you approach. Some women don't want an alpha male. Some women will lower their interst in you if they don't see a flaw or nerves when you ask them for ph#. Its pretty much random.
10) Healthy women see through DJ like patterns/sets etc much faster than many guys realize (they may still **** you but they know whats up). Emotionally un-healthy women are very easy to get into bed if you know what type of abuse they are looking for. For me there no real thrill in getting women who can't say no cause they didn't say no to all the guys before you either.
Anyway that is my list. If you look around and you find all the DJs have 12" game don't worry. Its just like HS most of them don't really have 12" game and your 6" game is gonna be just plenty for you to get a nice girl you will be happy with.
I only have 6" game, but I am lucky enough to have an above average track record in approaching women. When I was 15 or so I spent a year studying what makes women tick, I mean it was what I did for a year as a hobby 1-2 hours a day thinking watching etc. Then I put it into practice. At 16 I was mostly AFC but I have a fearless streak and was DJ even then at times. That was over 15 years ago. I am still AFC more so than most true DJ types but now it is more by choice.
I want to share what I learned for the AFC types here who came looking for some answers.
1) When you approach a woman you have a percentage chance of her being interested. My experience is that the rate is 20-30%(for me) of women I am interested in.
2) The 20-30% is mostly based on your looks/women you attracted to ratio. If you look like top cruise and have low standards you will probalby have a higher rate. But even Tom Cruise probably doesn't clear 80%. If you look like Hugh Grant and have high standards you may still be out of luck (remember he got arrested for using a hooker cause he couldn't get laid in LA with a british accent and decent looks? Trust me he not AFC and he has had better/more tail than all but 1 or 2 guys that read this board neither of which are me)
3) By being on "top of your game" you may pull an extra 1-5% but basically the girl is in to you or not into you in the first 20 sec. Just like a girl you are not attracted to isn't gonna talk you into taking her to the prom no matter how "tight her game"
4) If your sample isn't random you can get much higher/lower percentages. For example if you hit on drunk women at a club you are probably gonna have more luck and if you hit on women who are married its gonna be worse. A lot of guys don't realize how non-random their sample is.
5) Talking to a woman increases your odds from 0 to your 20-30% in the first 1-2 min. After that point most talking is actually hurting you. Its easy to get up to the 20-30 but it is much much much easier to do something that gets you back to 0%. Lack of confidence will blow your 20-30%. Most of being good with women is actually reaching your 20-30% every time. If you are below 20-30% then you need to simplify no complicate your approach.
6) Some AFC guys have much higher rates of success than DJs because they don't approach unless they see the girl flirt with them. Using this approach you can get ~100% success on ~0% of the women pretty easily.
7) Some women cannot say no when faced with a guy asking them for their ph# (any guy). I found it was much better to be aggressive in the talking and then pretty passive on the ph# to avoid women flaking. "Do you give your ph# to strangers" was my staple. The women who give you the ph# after that are pretty serious. Forcing rejection early is part of the DJ thing though most don't force it this early and they call it "nexting"
8) Most guys who are under the impression that they can get any woman they want have an ability to only want the women they can get.
9) Most of DJism is getting your ego ready, your look ready and your body ready. The actualy DJ approaches and alpha male stuff are very subjective to who you approach. Some women don't want an alpha male. Some women will lower their interst in you if they don't see a flaw or nerves when you ask them for ph#. Its pretty much random.
10) Healthy women see through DJ like patterns/sets etc much faster than many guys realize (they may still **** you but they know whats up). Emotionally un-healthy women are very easy to get into bed if you know what type of abuse they are looking for. For me there no real thrill in getting women who can't say no cause they didn't say no to all the guys before you either.
Anyway that is my list. If you look around and you find all the DJs have 12" game don't worry. Its just like HS most of them don't really have 12" game and your 6" game is gonna be just plenty for you to get a nice girl you will be happy with.
