"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Do i honestly have any chance?

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i just want you guys to tell me if with chin advancement and maxilla + double jaw surgery if i stand a chance with a girl. what am i? a 2? a 3 in a good day? i dont even know what to change. i noticed today that i have ptosis in one eye (pics came from the orthodontist) and the strabismus still exists, not always, but when i'm tired or nervous it shows (it was way worse). please help guys, i really am tired of all this **** and without hope.

2010

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2015

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i know now some of you will probably change your minds, when you said it was all in my head. i just wanted to be normal, respected, instead of ridiculed. did all these surgeries for what? i got 0 results, im still ****ed.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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You look more like a normal man in the 2015 ones.
 
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NeedToImprove said:
you didnt answer my question.
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Oh right... Looking normal won't get you anywhere but if you hit the gym and get cut, make sure your posture is good, get a new haircut to take advantage of your balding, make sure you don't have a pissy vibe about you and that you don't look as downtrodden as you do on the photos - then sure. And keep up the surgeries.
 
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Sorry wtf is your issue? Guys that look like you get women all the time... I have a friend that is worse looking than you and he gets better looking women than I do and more of them, and I am a pretty good looking dude. So pick up your confidence, pick up your game, and quit being insecure. The problem isn't your looks, the problem is your lack of confidence.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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MountainSlide said:
Sorry wtf is your issue? Guys that look like you get women all the time... I have a friend that is worse looking than you and he gets better looking women than I do and more of them, and I am a pretty good looking dude. So pick up your confidence, pick up your game, and quit being insecure. The problem isn't your looks, the problem is your lack of confidence.
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that phrase says it all
 
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NeedToImprove said:
basically im ****ed
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Well yeah, because of your sh!t attitude you probably are.
 
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Shave your head.

Work out, get a nice dress style, work on your voice clarity, and your facial expressions.

Stop blaming things and start improving. You think I'm going to get my GT-R by crying about my looks because women don't "like it?"

No.
 
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then rate from 1 to 10 and tell me if the ****in double jaw surgery + chin advancement will help.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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so where are the guys that said, you look perfectly fine? you dont need anymore surgeries, you have BDD.~

this is bull****. at least have the guts to say you were wrong and im ****ed
 
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1) If you looked like Brad Pitt, it still would not help your success with women.
2) Your mind is debilitated, not your face.
3) You are a 6. With a muscular, low body-fat physique, you could max at an 8.
4) Chin/jaw augmentation will do very little, if nothing, for your overall aesthetic appearance.
5) You possess neither a rational nor sane mind to make a sound decision to engage in any facial surgery.
5) Stop posting on this forum and seek professional help for your BDD.
 
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guru i will stop posting but you know better. all efforts were for nothing. i was just ****ed up from birth
 
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guru1000 said:
1) If you looked like Brad Pitt, it still would not help your success with women.
2) Your mind is debilitated, not your face.
3) You are a 6. With a muscular, low body-fat physique, you could max at an 8.
4) Chin/jaw augmentation will do very little, if nothing, for your overall aesthetic appearance.
5) You possess neither a rational nor sane mind to make a sound decision to engage in any facial surgery.
5) Stop posting on this forum and seek professional help for your BDD.
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^ This

You seem unable to accept that your problems are in your head and are desperately trying to convince us that you are a monster. The fact you ignore everything people are saying and only filter the parts that may re-enforce your viewpoint shows what kind of mind frame you are in.

Put the work into the gym rather than the surgery room. But even then nothing will change because all this is a mind issue. So for the last time, see a professional therapist, before you drive yourself over the edge.
 
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LondonTowers said:
^ This

You seem unable to accept that your problems are in your head and are desperately trying to convince us that you are a monster. The fact you ignore everything people are saying and only filter the parts that may re-enforce your viewpoint shows what kind of mind frame you are in.

Put the work into the gym rather than the surgery room. But even then nothing will change because all this is a mind issue. So for the last time, see a professional therapist, before you drive yourself over the edge.
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QFT. Fixing your attitude will do more for you than any surgery.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Dude you look fine. You honestly could've pulled before surgery. Looks dont matter much. As long as you're at least an averagely attractive guy and you're not overweight. More important is your attitude, grooming/style, body language, etc. just get out there and keep going.
 
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Tictac said:
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May as well stop posting because you have not listened to a single word.

Why'd you bother?
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so you guarantee that if i work with what i have, just like this, in these pics, i will stop being an incel?
 
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You want guarantees?

Seriously?

This is real life.

You decide.

Quit blaming. You're just using all this so you don't have to deal with your self-image.

You are working very hard to fail.

Why?
 
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ok you guys say no surgeries.

then what the hell is wrong? im not saying i should get a 7/8 or 9 HB, but at least a 5 or a 6? looksmatched? not even the fatties give me a chance. so obviously something is very wrong.

im not sick dude, you saw those pics, you know i needed those surgeries for christ sake.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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