Rate this guys face plz

[Cheeky_James]

I’m asking you if you have had trouble socially with sub tier looks.

have you?

 

[Divorced w 3]

have you?

I’ve struggled from time to time, but I’ve also never had a consortium of people tell me that I have substandard facial features as you have here. So I’m asking you if you think it’s possible that it shaped your worldview.

 

[Cheeky_James]

I’ve struggled from time to time, but I’ve also never had a consortium of people tell me that I have substandard facial features as you have here. So I’m asking you if you think it’s possible that it shaped your worldview.

no don’t think so.

 

[Divorced w 3]

no don’t think so.

So with substandard looks and your antisocial demeanor, what’s your secret to pulling women?

 

[Cheeky_James]

So with substandard looks and your antisocial demeanor, what’s your secret to pulling women?

PM me a pic of your face and I’ll tell you

 

[Cheeky_James]

@Divorced w 3

and also , what’s your level of experience with women ..? how many women have you been with so far in your life?

Are are you a relationship type guy or a Don Juan Player type guy..?

So many questions

 

[Sega Genesis]

no don’t think so.

Did the woman who gave you feedback comment on your face and physical appearance? You posted she said you needed to "tone yourself down" (your vibe/energy) which I agree with, even YOU agree with!

Also I don't recall where you ever posted a picture of yourself on the open forum, did I miss it?

How do folks know your face is sub-par, totally confused about that.

Based on what you've posted about how those IRL rate you, you said you're a 7.

 

[Divorced w 3]

PM me a pic of your face and I’ll tell you

Im not comfortable doing that.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Did the woman who gave you feedback comment on your face and physical appearance? You posted she said you needed to "tone yourself down" (your vibe/energy) which I agree with, even YOU agree with!

Also I don't recall where you ever posted a picture of yourself on the open forum, did I miss it?

How do folks know your face is sub-par, totally confused about that.

that particular woman said it wasn’t my physical appearance .
But think about it - it’s not socially acceptable for women to tell men if that is the acfual reason.
Because of men’s Ego and man’s Anger.
that would be dangerous to be that honest.

her feedback was on my manners mainly.
It may have been I was too short simply.

Can read too much into a womans feedback tbh. But it is always an interesting exercise just to see what is said.

also importantly (and funny to me ) - all the replies to that feedback pedestalized the woman . lol. No ine asked me what she looked like IRL or her personality . lol

 

[Sega Genesis]

I think women generally are uncomfortable giving any type of negative feedback, I always am when asked and typically say "I'm sorry I just wasn't feeling it." "Didn't feel the spark/chemistry" as lame as that might sound. It's just an awkward and uncomfortable conversation no matter how you slice and dice.

But since she was being so forthright in answering, thought she might have said you weren't her physical type or something.

You didn't answer my question, did you ever post a Pic of yourself on the open forum?

Yes or no.

 

[Sega Genesis]

there was a looks issue, you would not have went to the date to being with

^Fair point. So from this can we assume she found him physically attractive? Since she agreed to go out with him? And she simply didn't feel a sexual spark/chemistry on the date?

Which happens. Often times there isn't even a logical reason, it just wasn't happening for her.

Except here she told him in so many words his vibe was too over-the-top... for HER. And to tone himself down.

Another woman might have felt differently.

Thats why it'a futile to even ask IMHO!

 

[BeExcellent]

All I am saying is that sexual desire (which frankly is the thing I put the highest value on initially, although I do not act on it initially) is a multifaceted thing where looks contribute, but many other factors contribute equally or greater than looks. Sexual desire and sexual intimacy are the glue that bonds couples together and it is comprised of more than sex as a physical act.

Without sexual desire what's the point? Without that its just a friend thing, for me anyway.

 

[Cheeky_James]

^Fair point. So from this can we assume she found him physically attractive? Since she agreed to go out with him? And she simply didn't feel a sexual spark/chemistry on the date?

Which happens. Often times there isn't even a logical reason, it just wasn't happening for her.

Except here she told him in so many words his vibe was too over-the-top... for HER. And to tone himself down.

Another woman might have felt differently.

Thats why it'a futile to even ask IMHO!

yes. Exactly. The woman just doesn’t ‘feel it’.

but by logical extension of that - it’s then a fallacy of this ‘game’ talk to believe a guy can ‘control’ this somehow. He can install such feelings by charm or suaveness or his personality factors (or whatever)

women are mercurial .moody and hormonal.
They might not ‘feel it’ on a date one week.

But if that same dude had his date w her 1 week later or 2 weeks later …She may well ‘ feel it’ and proceed to sleep with him. LOL.

so it’s not a matter of ‘bad game’ or it being his fault on the date actually.

It’s more a matter of timing and getting lucky.

All this ‘game’ stuff only increases odds slightly .
It’s a small piece of the pie imo. For above reasons .

A dude may get laid and think it’s his great game..
But he was really just the right guy, at the right time is more the reality.

And no, never posted my pic on forum. Just an AI filtered selfie or two, to protect my privacy.

General rating feedback is 7 to 7.5 face for me.

And I like asking for post date feedback from women just to test/confirm my observations of their body language on the date. There will be negative BL signals early on usually I find.

And this is why women won’t tell a guy its his Looks that’s the dealbreaker ;

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[Cheeky_James]

All I am saying is that sexual desire (which frankly is the thing I put the highest value on initially, although I do not act on it initially) is a multifaceted thing where looks contribute, but many other factors contribute equally or greater than looks. Sexual desire and sexual intimacy are the glue that bonds couples together and it is comprised of more than sex as a physical act.

Without sexual desire what's the point? Without that its just a friend thing, for me anyway.

well your making some good points here.

but what other factors could come into it in the first few seconds of observing a man ..other than his Looks ?
(which would also include) ;
-His body language /confidence
-Whether he is an alpha or beta type of male.
-An impression of his social status

So firstly there is a sexual spark or sexual desire response from the woman that’s purely Looks based re the man. - Looks and how he is interacting and behaving (his perceived status) . Observed quickly. from afar.

then in the interaction it’s ,
- confidence in speaking
- intelligence and sense of humour
- proof of his status
- him making her feel she’s particularly of interest to him, is ‘unique’
- trading signals of interest back and forth/flirting
- taking next steps to physical intimacy

that’s about it re the process of a man and woman getting together right? Those other factors you mentioned after looks….

 

[The Duke]

well your making some good points here.

but what other factors could come into it in the first few seconds of observing a man ..other than his Looks ?
(which would also include) ;
-His body language /confidence
-Whether he is an alpha or beta type of male.
-An impression of his social status

So firstly there is a sexual spark or sexual desire response from the woman that’s purely Looks based re the man. - Looks and how he is interacting and behaving (his perceived status) . Observed quickly. from afar.

then in the interaction it’s ,
- confidence in speaking
- intelligence and sense of humour
- proof of his status
- him making her feel she’s particularly of interest to him, is ‘unique’
- trading signals of interest back and forth/flirting
- taking next steps to physical intimacy

that’s about it re the process of a man and woman getting together right? Those other factors you mentioned after looks….

Sexual attraction usually comes first but the rest of that stuff holds significance to the majority of women. Its why you struggle to get 2nd dates and one of your recent dates called you "transactional". The entire forum has tried to tell you multiple times that there is more to it than sexual attraction and looks.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Sexual attraction usually comes first but the rest of that stuff holds significance to the majority of women. Its why you struggle to get 2nd dates and one of your recent dates called you "transactional". The entire forum has tried to tell you multiple times that there is more to it than sexual attraction and looks.

As is usually the case:

"Advice is seldom welcome; and those who need it the most, like it the least."

- Lord Chesterfield

 

[BeExcellent]

well your making some good points here.

but what other factors could come into it in the first few seconds of observing a man ..other than his Looks ?
(which would also include) ;
-His body language /confidence
-Whether he is an alpha or beta type of male.
-An impression of his social status

So firstly there is a sexual spark or sexual desire response from the woman that’s purely Looks based re the man. - Looks and how he is interacting and behaving (his perceived status) . Observed quickly. from afar.

then in the interaction it’s ,
- confidence in speaking
- intelligence and sense of humour
- proof of his status
- him making her feel she’s particularly of interest to him, is ‘unique’
- trading signals of interest back and forth/flirting
- taking next steps to physical intimacy

that’s about it re the process of a man and woman getting together right? Those other factors you mentioned after looks….

Things that are observable immediately:

1. Appearance (looks/clothing/grooming)
2. Fitness level
3. Style (clothing/hair/grooming)
4. Voice and manner of speaking
5. Vibe
6. The way people around him act around him (do they defer, do they respect his personal space, do they ignore)
7. Gaze (does he hold eye contact)
8. Body language
9. Confidence (or lack thereof)
10. Engagement with others

I have met very attractive doctors, lawyers, businessmen, corp execs, entertainers, pro athletes.

One lawyer I had a date with could not conversate for anything (I wondered how he ever became a lawyer) but I suppose he was booksmart in his field. He was a sexy enough looking man, but his lack of conversational ability and lack of engagement made the date extremely boring and I was relieved when it was over. Whatever attraction was there at first vanished when I realized he was boring and awkward.

Its not good when a woman feels relieved to get away from you.

Another time I was dancing on the dance floor at a hip nightclub. An internationally famous recording artist came to the club after his touring show had finished in the local area. He had various security staff as part of his entourage. One of his security men approached me and wanted to bring me over to meet the artist. I'm nobody's groupie. I asked the security guy "Do his legs work?" and the security guy looked caught off guard and said "Of course." I said "Well then he can walk over here himself if he wants to talk to me." The security guard was surprised, and went back to the artist, who did not come over himself. So that was a turn off entirely. Be a man for crying out loud.

The artist likely wanted some hot girl to bang & toss, and that was not my jam at all. Some other chick can be a groupie. Not me.

Both the examples I gave were very attractive high status men. So yeah, looks are NOT everything nor are looks the most important thing. Sometimes looks are the initial thing - the admittance to being seen by a desirable woman. That's it. From there its everything else, and everything else matters!

 

[Cheeky_James]

Sexual attraction usually comes first but the rest of that stuff holds significance to the majority of women. Its why you struggle to get 2nd dates and one of your recent dates called you "transactional". The entire forum has tried to tell you multiple times that there is more to it than sexual attraction and looks.

And I keep saying you cannot make the call that it was ‘personality’ or ‘game’ .. until you read the womans date report / what she tells her GFs.. it may well indeed be just Looks simply. (Or Status & Money)

And it usually is just that.
my dates not progressing would likely have been due to( in order)

1 = not enough money /lifestyle (her :no kids, lots of disposable income, frequent traveller)

2- = too not old, BadBoy enough (her : last ex bf was an ex con , she does a lot of party drugs)

3 = too short , not fit enough (her: she was my height and fit bodied)

I’ve had 2 good dates also in this time - where I displayed the same personality/game , that the 2 women found a turn on and dates very successful.

My most recent new one (Monday) very much so. She was very ‘green light’ immediately.
Also, I told that chick the feedback/date report from the 3rd chick and she rolled her eyes & laughing at chicks comments.

Then an hour later gave me a BJ in her car.

So there you go.

it’s not really the ‘fault’ of the guy or his ‘bad game’ ..or a lack of ‘understanding’ (lol) that’s very much over-rated.

It’s mainly Looks and Status and also luck/good timing = success.
Not ‘game’.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Things that are observable immediately:

1. Appearance (looks/clothing/grooming)
2. Fitness level
3. Style (clothing/hair/grooming)
4. Voice and manner of speaking
5. Vibe
6. The way people around him act around him (do they defer, do they respect his personal space, do they ignore)
7. Gaze (does he hold eye contact)
8. Body language
9. Confidence (or lack thereof)
10. Engagement with others

I have met very attractive doctors, lawyers, businessmen, corp execs, entertainers, pro athletes.

One lawyer I had a date with could not conversate for anything (I wondered how he ever became a lawyer) but I suppose he was booksmart in his field. He was a sexy enough looking man, but his lack of conversational ability and lack of engagement made the date extremely boring and I was relieved when it was over. Whatever attraction was there at first vanished when I realized he was boring and awkward.

Its not good when a woman feels relieved to get away from you.

Another time I was dancing on the dance floor at a hip nightclub. An internationally famous recording artist came to the club after his touring show had finished in the local area. He had various security staff as part of his entourage. One of his security men approached me and wanted to bring me over to meet the artist. I'm nobody's groupie. I asked the security guy "Do his legs work?" and the security guy looked caught off guard and said "Of course." I said "Well then he can walk over here himself if he wants to talk to me." The security guard was surprised, and went back to the artist, who did not come over himself. So that was a turn off entirely. Be a man for crying out loud.

The artist likely wanted some hot girl to bang & toss, and that was not my jam at all. Some other chick can be a groupie. Not me.

Both the examples I gave were very attractive high status men. So yeah, looks are NOT everything nor are looks the most important thing. Sometimes looks are the initial thing - the admittance to being seen by a desirable woman. That's it. From there its everything else, and everything else matters!

thanks.
Well points
1-3 = Looks
4-10 = High Status / Alpha behaviours

So it not ‘everything ’ else mate. It’s a pretty narrow criteria of what makes a man very attractive to women.

mainly : Looks & Status

And to the degree of how much the guy scores highly in both categories. Is how attractive he will be .
Ie -his SMV rating.

So that’s good to read above and good to know.

next we just need to break down what ‘vibe’ means and the different types of Vibe a man can have .

I fhink it’s
- Alpha male vibe
- Calm and magnetic vibe
- Dark Triad Vibe
- Beta / weak vibe
- weirdo/oddball /wacky/ jestering vibe


And first 3 of those vibes being preferable for a guy to have I think.

btw this is a great exercise so far

 

[BeExcellent]

So in my estimation looks are only 10% of the formula. That means its 90% everything else.