Cheeky_James
Master Don Juan
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have you?I’m asking you if you have had trouble socially with sub tier looks.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
have you?I’m asking you if you have had trouble socially with sub tier looks.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
I’ve struggled from time to time, but I’ve also never had a consortium of people tell me that I have substandard facial features as you have here. So I’m asking you if you think it’s possible that it shaped your worldview.have you?
no don’t think so.I’ve struggled from time to time, but I’ve also never had a consortium of people tell me that I have substandard facial features as you have here. So I’m asking you if you think it’s possible that it shaped your worldview.
So with substandard looks and your antisocial demeanor, what’s your secret to pulling women?no don’t think so.
PM me a pic of your face and I’ll tell youSo with substandard looks and your antisocial demeanor, what’s your secret to pulling women?
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Did the woman who gave you feedback comment on your face and physical appearance? You posted she said you needed to "tone yourself down" (your vibe/energy) which I agree with, even YOU agree with!no don’t think so.
Im not comfortable doing that.PM me a pic of your face and I’ll tell you![]()
that particular woman said it wasn’t my physical appearance .Did the woman who gave you feedback comment on your face and physical appearance? You posted she said you needed to "tone yourself down" (your vibe/energy) which I agree with, even YOU agree with!
Also I don't recall where you ever posted a picture of yourself on the open forum, did I miss it?
How do folks know your face is sub-par, totally confused about that.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
^Fair point. So from this can we assume she found him physically attractive? Since she agreed to go out with him? And she simply didn't feel a sexual spark/chemistry on the date?there was a looks issue, you would not have went to the date to being with
yes. Exactly. The woman just doesn’t ‘feel it’.^Fair point. So from this can we assume she found him physically attractive? Since she agreed to go out with him? And she simply didn't feel a sexual spark/chemistry on the date?
Which happens. Often times there isn't even a logical reason, it just wasn't happening for her.
Except here she told him in so many words his vibe was too over-the-top... for HER. And to tone himself down.
Another woman might have felt differently.
Thats why it'a futile to even ask IMHO!
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well your making some good points here.All I am saying is that sexual desire (which frankly is the thing I put the highest value on initially, although I do not act on it initially) is a multifaceted thing where looks contribute, but many other factors contribute equally or greater than looks. Sexual desire and sexual intimacy are the glue that bonds couples together and it is comprised of more than sex as a physical act.
Without sexual desire what's the point? Without that its just a friend thing, for me anyway.
Sexual attraction usually comes first but the rest of that stuff holds significance to the majority of women. Its why you struggle to get 2nd dates and one of your recent dates called you "transactional". The entire forum has tried to tell you multiple times that there is more to it than sexual attraction and looks.well your making some good points here.
but what other factors could come into it in the first few seconds of observing a man ..other than his Looks ?
(which would also include) ;
-His body language /confidence
-Whether he is an alpha or beta type of male.
-An impression of his social status
So firstly there is a sexual spark or sexual desire response from the woman that’s purely Looks based re the man. - Looks and how he is interacting and behaving (his perceived status) . Observed quickly. from afar.
then in the interaction it’s ,
- confidence in speaking
- intelligence and sense of humour
- proof of his status
- him making her feel she’s particularly of interest to him, is ‘unique’
- trading signals of interest back and forth/flirting
- taking next steps to physical intimacy
that’s about it re the process of a man and woman getting together right? Those other factors you mentioned after looks….
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
As is usually the case:Sexual attraction usually comes first but the rest of that stuff holds significance to the majority of women. Its why you struggle to get 2nd dates and one of your recent dates called you "transactional". The entire forum has tried to tell you multiple times that there is more to it than sexual attraction and looks.
Things that are observable immediately:well your making some good points here.
but what other factors could come into it in the first few seconds of observing a man ..other than his Looks ?
(which would also include) ;
-His body language /confidence
-Whether he is an alpha or beta type of male.
-An impression of his social status
So firstly there is a sexual spark or sexual desire response from the woman that’s purely Looks based re the man. - Looks and how he is interacting and behaving (his perceived status) . Observed quickly. from afar.
then in the interaction it’s ,
- confidence in speaking
- intelligence and sense of humour
- proof of his status
- him making her feel she’s particularly of interest to him, is ‘unique’
- trading signals of interest back and forth/flirting
- taking next steps to physical intimacy
that’s about it re the process of a man and woman getting together right? Those other factors you mentioned after looks….
And I keep saying you cannot make the call that it was ‘personality’ or ‘game’ .. until you read the womans date report / what she tells her GFs.. it may well indeed be just Looks simply. (Or Status & Money)Sexual attraction usually comes first but the rest of that stuff holds significance to the majority of women. Its why you struggle to get 2nd dates and one of your recent dates called you "transactional". The entire forum has tried to tell you multiple times that there is more to it than sexual attraction and looks.
thanks.Things that are observable immediately:
1. Appearance (looks/clothing/grooming)
2. Fitness level
3. Style (clothing/hair/grooming)
4. Voice and manner of speaking
5. Vibe
6. The way people around him act around him (do they defer, do they respect his personal space, do they ignore)
7. Gaze (does he hold eye contact)
8. Body language
9. Confidence (or lack thereof)
10. Engagement with others
I have met very attractive doctors, lawyers, businessmen, corp execs, entertainers, pro athletes.
One lawyer I had a date with could not conversate for anything (I wondered how he ever became a lawyer) but I suppose he was booksmart in his field. He was a sexy enough looking man, but his lack of conversational ability and lack of engagement made the date extremely boring and I was relieved when it was over. Whatever attraction was there at first vanished when I realized he was boring and awkward.
Its not good when a woman feels relieved to get away from you.
Another time I was dancing on the dance floor at a hip nightclub. An internationally famous recording artist came to the club after his touring show had finished in the local area. He had various security staff as part of his entourage. One of his security men approached me and wanted to bring me over to meet the artist. I'm nobody's groupie. I asked the security guy "Do his legs work?" and the security guy looked caught off guard and said "Of course." I said "Well then he can walk over here himself if he wants to talk to me." The security guard was surprised, and went back to the artist, who did not come over himself. So that was a turn off entirely. Be a man for crying out loud.
The artist likely wanted some hot girl to bang & toss, and that was not my jam at all. Some other chick can be a groupie. Not me.
Both the examples I gave were very attractive high status men. So yeah, looks are NOT everything nor are looks the most important thing. Sometimes looks are the initial thing - the admittance to being seen by a desirable woman. That's it. From there its everything else, and everything else matters!
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.