90% Men are Invisible

[FlexpertHamilton]

That means, there's literally someone for everyone.

nope

Even if it's true that women only want top notch men, there's not enough of these men to go around. 80-90% of men eventually end up married, not just the top.

the women are sharing the top 10-20% of men, it's simple.

Thinking back, I've had a good number of girls pursue me. I was just too socially awkward. I was also what many consider a "low value male". I was only 5'5, total geek and hopelessly awkward. So if someone like that can get pursuers, then it's not just top 10% of men.

How hot were these women?

 

[zekko]

You're dodging the question, though. If she's not a 10, what exactly are you taking the point off for? Her teeth? Eyebrows? Nose? Smile? What's the flaw?

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Depends on the woman, but there's always a flaw. If she was perfect, she wouldn't age and she'd live forever. Maybe her breath is bad aftr she eats onions. Feel free to label women 10s if you want, but that's not my philosophy, I will never call a woman (or a man, for that matter) a 10. IMO, the 10 represents the ideal, which can never be reached. If nothing else, that's putting her on a pedestal.

 

[CornbreadFed]

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Depends on the woman, but there's always a flaw. If she was perfect, she wouldn't age and she'd live forever. Maybe her breath is bad aftr she eats onions. Feel free to label women 10s if you want, but that's not my philosophy, I will never call a woman (or a man, for that matter) a 10. IMO, the 10 represents the ideal, which can never be reached. If nothing else, that's putting her on a pedestal.

sounds like to me that you want Android 18 haha

 

[quodlibet]

the women are sharing the top 10-20% of men, it's simple.

It's beyond bizarre to think only 20% of men are actively dating, in relationships and get married.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

It's beyond bizarre to think only 20% of men are actively dating, in relationships and get married.

. About 70% of American men are in some sort of relationship.

 

[zekko]

sounds like to me that you want Android 18 haha

No, I'm saying Android 18 doesn't exist.

 

[MatureDJ]

I object to the premise on its face. If you label someone a 10, then you meet someone better, how do you give them extra points? Once you label someone a 10, there's nowhere to go but down. Post me a pic of a perfect 10 if you think they exist. They might be a 10 to you, but I bet someone would rate them lower. I know I would, because I don't believe in labeling humans as 10s. And damn few even get the 9.

It's like dealing with someone that had escaped from Death Row - if there is anyone that has nothing to lose, it's him!

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

. About 70% of American men are in some sort of relationship.

that seems high, but consider most of them are probably 50+. the men who aren't getting a crumb of pvssy are the men in the 18-30 demo

 

[Solomon]

I'll never forget PoF. Lowest of the barrel there. I am not surprised even the ugliest get called on there.

I have a friend who is not pretty at all. A girl who refuses to dress up in women clothing. A guy literally drove six hours to go **** her. We're talking a half a day trip to get laid.

Driving 6 hours to get laid is insanse. I used to work at a woodshop in my early 20s, and there was a guy who drove 12 hours to Florida but it was a girl who was a model not saying it's bet but at least I can understand the reasoning behind that. But driving 6 hours to bang a 4 or less, the guy must have been ugly too or down bad.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Here's why there are no perfect 10 women.....because every single beautiful girl that ever graced the pages of Maxim or Playboy or Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition back when they were the standard had been air brushed to some extent or Posed in a position to make their body look the best it can. They were 9's made to look like 10's.

And if you want to ruin the illusion sit in the parking lot of a strip club and watch the talent walk in. I promise once they get their hair, makeup, and heels on you will rate them much higher than when they first walked thru the door looking like a average girls.

Not all butts look good naked when they bend over. Not all boobs look good when they fall out of a bra.

Take a look at hugh hefners 3 blonde girlfriends(holly, bridget, Kendra). They looked great in the magazine but when they were shown in their reality tv show as everyday people they werent so beautiful.

Perfect 10's are only in magazines. There is a reason that saying was common for so many years.

I waa once committed to enlightening folks to this fact of life, then I realized... When, after all these decades, the majority of mankind STILL believes that

-Shooting two handguns at once in a firefight is effective

-A helicopter will automatically explode, the minute a bullet slams into it's gas tank

-People die instantaneously after being stabbed through the neck once

Etc etc, just because they saw all this crap onscreen, chances of dispelling deeply ingrained myths to any substantial degree are weaker than Putin leaving office voluntarily

 

[Novice1]

This is 10HB for me

 

[itouchyou]

Well that's a given, but personally for me I don't deal with insufferable women even if they're HOT or Average. As you mentioned before they are well-mannered and socially calibrated hot chicks out there. But you won't find them on dating apps or at a club

Dating apps are a cesspool of low-quality women overall, even if they are hot, if a man is using dating apps to find girlfriend he is doing it wrong IMO. Sure you might find a gem here and there, but MOST women on dating apps are pump-and-dump or FWB material at best.

you realize probably every woman is on a dating app? just because you meet her offline somewhere doesn't mean she isn't on them

 

[Snag87]

I mean this is obvius but the point is this, the bad boys aren't smashing 1s-3s sure they may smash a 4 and 5 if they down bad or looking for a sugar momma( i.e. Deadpoool Killer is a perfect example of a "Chadlite' banging 4s-6s and SM's for a place to stay and money)SO there is still a group of women who will give men outside of the top 10% a chance, are they top ones? obviosuly not. But relaastically a 4 landing a 9 for ltr is slim unless she is a sugar momma willing to finance a guy's ife (which belive it or not there are a lot of them out there)

The problem is once a 4 hooks up with a 9 it’s over. She doesn’t understand that he’s not in her league from a LTR standpoint and won’t be able to settle for a 5 or a 6. She’ll just continue to chase ultra high status men who’ll only sleep with her at best.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I have a friend who is not pretty at all. A girl who refuses to dress up in women clothing. A guy literally drove six hours to go **** her. We're talking a half a day trip to get laid.

Hey, back in the day I drove about 6 hours for some puzzy...when I was doing the OLD thang.

She is one of the coolest chicks I ever met, and is still infatuated with me til this day...some 16 years later .

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

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I agree with the premise that the vast majority of men are invisible to women.

The most effective solution to this is..

1. Lose fat
2. Build muscle

If you want to get noticed...then be noticable.

If you are invisible to women, muscles will make you visible.

This year, I'm on track to break my PR for most compliments received in a year, regarding my physique.

So ask me how I know.

 

[Rainman4707]

Saw this video, nothing new, but I thought it was interesting. It's by notorious black piller Wheat Waffles, but I thought it was better than most of his stuff, thought it made a lot of sense.

I have never really bought into the idea that women only wanted bad boys, and this helps explain it better IMO. According to this, women are really just attracted to the good looking men. But the good looking men with good personalities have girlfriends or wives - or are quickly snapped up - so they're not really on OLD, or on the market. The good looking men who are left are the bad boys. So girls go for the good looking guy, but they turn out to be bad boys. And of course the average looking guys are basically ignored.

I have the same mentality, seems clear as day to me. Yet i am told not to assume that a quieter, decent man is automatically disadvantaged in every social setting. Physical attraction matters, but familiarity, personality, shared interests and emotional connection can all influence attraction over time.

 

[Solomon]

you realize probably every woman is on a dating app? just because you meet her offline somewhere doesn't mean she isn't on them

This is a sosuave myth. I know girls personally who don't use dating apps; have they tried? Sure, but they get off right away because they can't handle the onslaught of likes and matches etc.

I know that's anecdotal, but highly sought-after women who have active social lives have no issues meeting men in the wild

 

[Serenity]

Saw this video, nothing new, but I thought it was interesting. It's by notorious black piller Wheat Waffles, but I thought it was better than most of his stuff, thought it made a lot of sense.

I have never really bought into the idea that women only wanted bad boys, and this helps explain it better IMO. According to this, women are really just attracted to the good looking men. But the good looking men with good personalities have girlfriends or wives - or are quickly snapped up - so they're not really on OLD, or on the market. The good looking men who are left are the bad boys. So girls go for the good looking guy, but they turn out to be bad boys. And of course the average looking guys are basically ignored.

90% (if not more) of people in general are invisible, particularly these days because everyone is glued to a screen ignoring most people around them. If you want any attention at all you really need to stand out. Bad boys don't follow social norms, that's what make them stand out to get noticed at all. Being a d!ck is one way to stand out and get noticed, but it isn't the only way. There's plenty of ways to stand out without being an ass to everyone else, but the bad guy doesn't get this.

The best way to stand out is to do something others value, to provide value. Far too few people stand up to serve others these days and do something that's genuinely valued. To be a man of value is to provide value. Bad boys grab the attention, but they're nothing much beneath the surface. They're like good looking women grabbing the attention, but with nothing substantial worth keeping beneath that.

Looks is just a dimension of "grabbing attention" that ultimately doesn't matter much beyond that initial point if there isn't more to it. I'm thinking of pants with fake pockets as a fitting analogy, they might look great, but the fact that the pockets are fake is really just infuriating.

I'm not really sticking to your point here, that the good ones are taken off the market and the crap remains, so let me address that as well. Of course that is the case, it's also the case for women. Those worth being with have a much easier time staying in a relationship, not really rocket science. This part only gets worse with age because the best of them stay in stable relationships, they stay out of "the market". There's a chance of getting lucky because the person was failed by their partner rather than their own fault, but there's less of that with age because generally those with potential learn their lesson. So with age those who are left are those who don't learn their lessons and remain unworthy of being with.

The lesson is to be as present as possible throughout life and never think you have it all figure out, because that's when you lose the humility required to stay on top.

Also, I have no respect for any black pillers even if they come close to the truth, they're ultimately motivated by their need to prove how they're screwed rather than trying to actually solve anything. I don't give a fvck about all the ways something doesn't work, I'm only interested in the ways it DOES work so I can get what I want.

 

[CornbreadFed]

This is a sosuave myth. I know girls personally who don't use dating apps; have they tried? Sure, but they get off right away because they can't handle the onslaught of likes and matches etc.

I know that's anecdotal, but highly sought-after women who have active social lives have no issues meeting men in the wild

You can tell if a guy is struggling with women based on his posts. Guys that equate quantity as a good thing probably have a near empty to empty roster. They cannot fathom how a woman could get on a dating app and have a negative experience.

 

[Solomon]

You can tell if a guy is struggling with women based on his posts. Guys that equate quantity as a good thing probably have a near empty to empty roster. They cannot fathom how a woman could get on a dating app and have a negative experience.

You bring up something excellent...men who do well with women, especially those who don't use online dating or as an enhancement or supplement to the women they meet in real life, have a totally different experience from men who struggle with women. The biggest takeaway I've noticed after years on the forum the guy's who claim to struggle because of looks, women being highly demanding, feminism etc. When you dig deeper, those guys do not have access (or think they don't) to women outside of online dating, tend to not have social circles (im not even talking about one with women in them but even just guy friends) or hobbies, and tend to have the most issues.

If you go outside you see regular guys with regular girls or you may even see a guy who is average-looking with a hot girl. 90% chance he didn't meet her online and most likely via social circle, etc.

There is a reason why in 2026 guys who do well with women tell men to have hobbies like salsa or ballroom dancing or even running clubs etc. Because once you get out there, you realize it's not all doom and gloom. There are guys who are average and have no issues dating and it's simply because they have active, fulfilling lives.